Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I wonder if I might add to that just a bit. I think there's a tendency, at least in some quarters, for people to say, “Oh, we shouldn't confront China, because it may be against our economic interests.” I think Taiwan is a good answer to that, because they have had, at various ti

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I can answer that. First, that's a good question. That's a problem we had to grapple with, because we start with no corpses. The body is cremated. There are no witnesses because everything happens in a closed place. It's either perpetrators or victims. There's no crime scene. The

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  In terms of primary and incidental, it depends on the type of prisoner. If it's a prisoner sentenced to death, then it would be incidental. They're going to be executed anyway. To a certain extent, it started off as incidental and then became primary, partly because the system ha

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes. I certainly agree with what he said, but I do have a couple of additional suggestions. One is the universal periodic review by the United Nations Human Rights Council. I've been to both of them since the review has started, when China has been up for consideration, and I'v

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I was wondering about your question about the black market. Are you suggesting that maybe the numbers come from the black market rather than from official activity?

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  As I indicated, 800 hospitals applied for registration, and 169 were registered. As far as we can tell, some of them are still doing transplants. There is that form of a black market. We didn't include that in our calculations, because it's hard to get hold of. The reality is th

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Our report came out in June of this year. We started doing it in September of last year. All of it is subsequent to the changes for the update. We have archived everything we saw, so you can see everything we saw.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  First of all, in terms of our update, we haven't really had any criticism of the content of the report. The Government of China has said that it's anti-China. Obviously, if we didn't care about China, we wouldn't care about this. The Government of China said that the figures must

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I wonder if I could just add to that. That was an interesting question. On the willingness, obviously not, but the question is whether they have the ability. I'm not so sure that in the current situation they're even able to do so, because they've become so dependent on the sour

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  In terms of the persecution of Falun Gong, that's the Central Committee of the Communist Party. That was decided at a meeting in June 1999. In terms of killing Falun Gong, that was decided at a party gathering at the 610 Office, which was set up to persecute the Falun Gong in Nov

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  We're not an NGO; we're individuals, and we have been focusing only within China and only on organ transplant abuse, and in the case of organ transplant abuse, only on Falun Gong. Ethan Gutmann has said it's also Uighurs, Tibetans, and house Christians. We've read his research an

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Thank you for inviting us both. Let me start off by saying a bit about Falun Gong. Falun Gong is a set of exercises with a spiritual foundation, a Chinese equivalent of yoga. It began in 1992 with the teachings of Li Hongzhi. It was initially promoted by the Government of Chin

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I have a couple of suggestions to make. One is to continue to press for China to release death penalty statistics. Second, China runs four transplant registries whose statistics are reasonably reliable, because the hospitals report directly to the registries. They are in four di

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes, it's half a million per body. If you look at it in terms of totals, the government of China occasionally coughs up totals of 10,000 a year, and that's like a billion dollars a year. That's an awful lot of money for them to say, “No, we're going to give that up.” It isn't j

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  It's chilling, and there are many chilling incidents. As you say, somebody can survive a kidney donation, but we never came across a surviving kidney donor in China.