Finance committee  I understand that they want to change and make the fines more, but in all the literature that we could find, that was something that was already in place. It stated that companies that were caught abusing the programs would be fined, and possibly do criminal time. Our standpoin

Finance committee  I got that.

Finance committee  Right.

Finance committee  Oh, and we absolutely agree with that as a point, but you have to move forward and take those steps to actually use that blacklist, which still only has four companies on it, and impose those fines.

Finance committee  Yes.

Finance committee  Yes.

Finance committee  I was dismissed.

Finance committee  Right.

Finance committee  No, ma'am, I have bills.

Finance committee  No.

Finance committee  We were given no reason at all. We were just dismissed.

Finance committee  You'll have to let me know what—

Finance committee  That's right. That's what the federal guidelines say, that they will be penalized, blacklisted, and fined, but we don't know what that means or what that looks like.

Finance committee  Yes.

Finance committee  Oh, absolutely, because I truly believe that if there are consequences to these actions, then people will think twice about abusing this program, whether that abuse is towards Canadians or temporary foreign workers themselves.