Justice committee  No. There are several reasons. Number one, we don't have a law. If there is no law, they can't go forward and say they have been tortured. As Linda said, their statements are redacted even if they tried to say something. The women we have worked with don't even know they are h

Justice committee  May I just add a little comment?

Justice committee  I have a comment about the burden of proof. I think we have to start somewhere, and right now there is some proof that infants and young children are being tortured in the pornographic industry. Even if we started there, we would start opening up society to the knowledge that s

Justice committee  Well, just as of today.

Justice committee  I guess, Bill, I'd go to the positive. This is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and I'm surprised how many people in Canada do not even know that it exists in this context. We take it to schools. When we educate in the schools, we take the Universal Declaration of Hum

Justice committee  Yes, you're absolutely correct.

Justice committee  For me, from listening to all the women we've listened to, it's the naming. If it's not named, they tell us over and over again that's a void. It has to be named torture by private individuals or non-state actors.

Justice committee  I would just expand that to society. You said the victimized person, but I think every citizen in this country has to understand, too. The law is what names. It helps us understand the culture we live in and the society that is evolving around us. I think it's in a broader contex

Justice committee  Yes, I do.

Justice committee  Okay. In reference to naming the infliction of torture, non-state torture victimization causes grievous destructive dehumanization. Some women describe not knowing that they were human beings. Some did not know they had physical bodies or skin, or that having their anus hang ou

Justice committee  Thank you.

Justice committee  I think we're asking you to do something. At least I'm here saying that you change 269.1 on torture because, certainly, it makes a difference to the people whom we have talked to. Actually, around funding, it makes a difference for funding in some ways because what Linda and I

Justice committee  I will continue. I will now expand on the continuum of the persons who are forcibly trafficked, prostituted, and tortured. What and who are the johns buying, renting, or procuring? Our answer has come to be that some prefer to rent children, including infants, for their pleasur