Public Accounts committee  Yes, phases 1 and 2, which are the validation in principle and the first pilot project respectively, will help us determine that. As you can well imagine, some thought and analysis are needed in order to be fair and transparent in offering those assets to organizations. That is

Public Accounts committee  I can tell you that we have not yet, but we are looking into it.

Public Accounts committee  I'll turn it over to Nicholas, if you don't mind.

Public Accounts committee  I will just give you my department's approach. I think it's clear from the audit that we didn't document as much as we should have. As for saying that there was no process, we didn't document it well enough and we will make sure that we do so in the future. We're reviewing the

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I would say that's part of it. Those are all the different elements that we're trying to assess through this two-step process before we recommend a program. Maybe we can't donate all the different asset types. That's what we're trying to see. Does it work better in a specifi

Public Accounts committee  Yes. There's internal reuse, which I think you've heard CRA did with success. I think other departments are doing that, but not in as documented a way and not as rigorously as CRA. Then there's the transfer between departments. That's the platform from a service provider, which

Public Accounts committee  Before I let Nicholas answer, I just want to remind you that we do not set the prices. The departments bring in the value. Anyway, Nicholas, maybe you have more details on that specific one.

Public Accounts committee  Again, if you don't mind, I'll turn it over to Nicholas. He has the daily experience with this. Maybe you have some insight on this area, Nicholas.

Public Accounts committee  No, but we report to the same minister.

Public Accounts committee  Thank you for that question. I totally agree with you that we do need to look at that. If you don't mind, I would like Nicholas to tell you a bit about what we're doing on that front on the donations. There's a proof of concept that's being done, so maybe he—

Public Accounts committee  If you don't mind, I think that Ron Parker or Nicholas would be really well positioned to answer.

Public Accounts committee  I'll tell you that from a PSPC perspective, we actually are very interested in learning from the CRA and looking at how we can develop our own system within the department's system. We're going to be seeing if there are opportunities there, and then other colleagues, I'm sure, wi

Public Accounts committee  Yes. In our case, I know, the reality is that we keep the furniture for a fairly long time, but we do need to look into it. We'll look at anything that can make us better.

Public Accounts committee  It is up to the departments to decide whether they want to sell, transfer, donate or recycle their assets. In our new approach, we are clearly promoting the transfer, but of course, it is up to the departments. As the official from the Office of the Auditor General pointed out,

Public Accounts committee  Actually, we're all subject to the Treasury Board directive. Where there is some latitude is in the area of donations. The current Treasury Board policy doesn't allow PSPC or GCSurplus to make donations on behalf of departments. The departments are the ones who must deal with it