Electoral Reform committee  In this case it's nine.

Electoral Reform committee  No, it's not a region that's 19 now. This is a region that currently has nine. It currently has nine and the MMP—

Electoral Reform committee  The city of Ottawa is not in this one; that's right.

Electoral Reform committee  If you turn the page, when you get to the rural-urban PR page, that one does include Ottawa, and now we're looking at a top-up region of 19 as I remember it.

Electoral Reform committee  So they are kind of different scenarios. The idea is that with MMP you might want to keep the regions a bit smaller. But the thing about rural-urban is you're actually trying to maximize the proportionality of it—

Electoral Reform committee  —by having relatively large top-up regions, usually in the rage of 16 up to 20. That reduces the threshold for third parties to about 5%. I'm looking at Elizabeth May here; that's something she might like.

Electoral Reform committee  You don't care. But that's the idea, to have a top-up region that's large enough to have a threshold that's fair to third parties.

Electoral Reform committee  That's right.

Electoral Reform committee  No, it should be the same. These ridings should not have changed, right?

Electoral Reform committee  It's rural-urban for this Ontario east and centre.

Electoral Reform committee  Thank you for this opportunity to speak. I am a volunteer for Fair Vote Canada and was recently elected president of the organization. A lot of you already know me. I've met you in this room many times. I live just down the street, a 10-minute bike ride away, even when it rains.