Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you for inviting us today to speak to you about recruitment retention programs and all the best practices the Government of Canada has to promote and support the diverse workforce and inclusive workplace. The office of the chief human resources officer where I work suppor

Government Operations committee  I think what Anne Marie is saying is that we have to keep sight of what the objective is here. First of all, it's to prevent wrongdoing. How do we go about preventing wrongdoing? We conduct investigations and we give discipline. There has to be an awareness that discipline can co

Government Operations committee  We entirely agree with the seriousness of the acts, but the issue is that discipline needs to be imposed. The action is corrected through the discipline and not necessarily through the shaming. The reason I say not through the shaming is that most of the situations are probably n

Government Operations committee  We believe the definition is an appropriate definition as it is now, but this is about opening the books and taking a look at it, so we would welcome the committee's views on that.

Government Operations committee  We have a lot of other mechanisms that oversee the policies and oversee compliance with policies, so in my view, I don't think there is a necessity to broaden it to include all policies. Those are being covered already through other compliance mechanisms.

Government Operations committee  No.

Government Operations committee  The disciplinary action may be limited to a very simple reprimand. When you talk about discipline, are you referring to the current system seen by the Office of the Public Sector Integrity Commissioner of Canada?

Government Operations committee  It may involve corrective action, but these are recommendations, of course. It may go as far as the individual's dismissal, but again, these are recommendations. As Ms. Smart said earlier, the recommendation is good. However, a full investigation must still be carried out when t

Government Operations committee  Indeed.

Government Operations committee  Let's say the employee or the manager is gone. The situation has self-corrected. They're no longer working with this consultant, and therefore the relationship has been breached. There are possibilities of that. In other instances, clarifications have been provided that have res

Government Operations committee  We don't have the list here, but we can provide the ones that are to this committee at a later date, if that's appropriate.

Government Operations committee  We can do that. We'll provide you a list of those that aren't.

Government Operations committee  Okay.

Government Operations committee  We're not sure what drove those numbers. It would be wise to ask CBSA what's driving their numbers. Those are their internal numbers.

Government Operations committee  No, we have not looked at that. There are variations in the numbers, and this is a variation. I would strongly encourage you to ask the questions to the organizations that have created these numbers.