Natural Resources committee  No. I think it's more of a municipal responsibility. I don't think it's feasible for the federal government. I've been participating in standing committees involving national energy codes and so on. I think this is great work by the Canadian government and the provinces together

Natural Resources committee  I can't tell you about the potential, exactly, but I can tell you that we intervene in a lot of army bases, for instance, at RCMP headquarters, and at research facilities everywhere across Canada. It's limited to your building stock in your case, but the system can be extrapolate

Natural Resources committee  We've been talking a lot with the people from NRCan, having workshops together and so on. According to what we've been told, the federal government wants to undertake deep retrofits from now on and not skim the savings. It makes sense, because once you skim the savings, then your

Natural Resources committee  Yes.

Natural Resources committee  Not personally, but my members in ESAC have.

Natural Resources committee  I could give you examples. If we did not, then we wouldn't put our money where our mouth is. To come back—

Natural Resources committee  The payback period.

Natural Resources committee  It's what Mr. Falk was talking about earlier. In the private sector, usually 18 months they will take, no problem. Above that, it takes a bit more arm-twisting because there's also the risk factor that adds to it and some of them don't know if they're going to last two years so

Natural Resources committee  I would say it's risk. Much of the time, risk is what refrains businesses from moving ahead; whereas, the payback periods in the institutional sector, like the federal and the provincial government, go up from seven to 11 years for the payback period. Again, we should push that a

Natural Resources committee  Do you mean the lack of funding?

Natural Resources committee  Actually, it's everywhere. It's a general barrier, but it's not the only one. There are things the federal government could do, such as promoting energy performance contracting but also maybe guaranteeing loans and so on. That could help reassure the marketplace. There are other

Natural Resources committee  If I may add, it depends exactly on which market or which sector we're looking at. We're intervening mostly in the commercial, industrial, institutional sector, but less industrial, because when companies have processes, it's kind of tricky to play into their processes. If you

Natural Resources committee  Good afternoon, everyone. I can answer questions in French and English. It's fine with me. I will provide you with a translated French version of the presentation as soon as possible afterwards. My name is J.P. Finet. I represent the Energy Services Association of Canada. I'm

Natural Resources committee  There will be a preliminary audit at first, and then normally a full-blown audit once the contract is given. It's a competitive process, so every firm has to file its proposal of the measures they favour, what the payback period is, and so on. All the firms present their differen

Natural Resources committee  Were you talking specifically about the commercial sector?