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Government Operations committee  I'm going to leave two documents with the committee. Really what you've got to do is incentivize the contractor. In this case, in Manitoba Hydro Schedule VIII — Indigenous Engagement Strategy & Requirements, Manitoba Hydro outlined for the contractors what they wanted for the

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  I think he's covered it. It's the large construction contracts, the service contracts, that are the most challenging for indigenous Canadians. There are ways around it, like providing enough time on some of these bids—if you'd prefer them for indigenous Canadians—to do joint ven

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  Yes. Those types of programs exist in the United States, like the section 7(a) one, where the Government of the United States works with firms to build their capacity, because they know that on large contracts you have to build the capacity of the small business. There are a numb

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  I think, for example, precinct two is a good example, 100 Wellington. I spoke to the committee about this last time. When that RFP came out, you had to have local resources. They still had 100 Wellington listed as the portrait gallery, so they didn't even have the time, or nobody

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  I think this is why the committee...you're going to make some recommendations. I encourage you to put in your report that you're going to look back at this thing in a year's time to see if there's anything that's going to change. We're all going to be here in one year, hopefully.

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  Yes, we've seen it happen. I think what public works tries to do is use the pre-qualification process to limit the number of bidders, right? That's in order to make their system more efficient—I think that's an important part. Oftentimes in those, where there's a supply arrange

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  I think you can have both, depending on what the government is buying, on what service it is. I think it can be an effective vehicle so that you just have indigenous groups competing against each other for that. Where we have that capacity, I think the voluntary set-asides are go

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  The Métis are nearly 70% in urban areas. We bid on anything we can get an effective bid on, so we find joint ventures. The rural part of Canada is a real challenge, because of the skill sets and because of the size of the companies, which are usually pretty local. They're not eve

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  That's right. You know construction; it's one job after the next. And right now in Manitoba, we're going to put 200 Métis on Line 3. We're working with the union halls, and it's going to be a short job; we're not going to get indentured there, so we're looking at workarounds with

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  You've got a signature between the supply side and the demand side. On the supply side, we spent $350 million on indigenous employment and training. For Métis, it's about $55 million annually. These people are working with these clients trying to get them indentured, and it's alw

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  I'll let Brian go on this one. In terms of what's going on now, PSAB, which promotes the program, is trying to show the government how well it's doing. They're also doing the auditing and they're finding everything good, so you get a good-news story in every report they put out

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  Our point is that whoever is promoting that program shouldn't be the one who's also doing the audit. It should be a separate function. In this procurement space, the Government of Canada had a good idea. It wasn't Diane Marleau. To go even further back than that, it was Ron Irwi

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  That's a good question. In Manitoba I ran that hydro job, and had a couple of scopes up there. We had 150 indigenous people working in those jobs for the two winters that we ran the job. The capability's there. In this case, we didn't require the types of trades that are required

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  I sit on the 100 Wellington thing. They pulled that back. They don't know what to do with it yet. They're looking for some guidance from the national indigenous organizations. To their credit, they pulled it back but they still don't have a plan yet. We're pushing them all the ti

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair

Government Operations committee  Bonds are a big issue because the size of the indigenous business base is growing but it's not there yet. The complexity of the procurement instruments is a problem. Finding out about the opportunities on a timely basis so that you can prepare a bid or prepare a joint venture p

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

Marc LeClair