Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  It's hard to know over the short term. Over the medium term, for sure, we think we'll see a reduction. I mentioned the health case in B.C. When we transferred to the First Nations Health Authority, we basically closed the regional offices, which meant a lot of jobs. That is som

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  It always has been in the DNA of the department. I think it's because we didn't have the tools to achieve that. Since the 1980s at least, and even in the 1970s—the historians may disagree with me—there's always been an attempt to attempt to devolve. That's what it was called at t

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Yes, clearly there have been way more initiatives and activities as a result of the last few years. Is it all due to having two departments or just one? It's hard to know, but having two ministers—one minister dedicated only to services, and one to rights—has been very useful ove

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Yes. We actually developed a new line of business, where we want to identify and report in the future on the services that are outside of the departments. The question would be how it grows over the years. If you look at the 85 grants we have now, and there's no reason to believe

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  I was deputy minister of Infrastructure Canada and there was no legislation. It was under another income. You can always ask, should they have legislation or not? That's a good question. I think in our case, it was necessary to have legislation because there was already legislat

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Transformation is a subject of discussion inside the department. It has been and will be continue to be, on an ongoing basis. As soon as we heard about the OIC, we engaged the staff. We actually had sessions with employees by themselves, and we did engagement sessions. More than

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  I would need to see the documents. We can report back to you on this.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Yes.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  That's what I need to check, whether it's because of the transition, and we moved from the old DPR from INAC to the two new ones. Maybe that's the reason. That's why I would like to look at it. I can tell you that the outcomes.... If you go on the website and check what we're d

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  I will need to check, but that's one of the issues. There was one DPR, and there are now two departments, which may have created confusion in the reporting. I'm sorry about that. We can come back to you with more information about what it means on our side.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  I need to see the documents. I'm not going to speculate.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  There have been some transformations, but there are still some elements that need to be clarified. To be honest, 95% of this was done quite quickly. The biggest element for us was that all the services were transferred to ISC, including the first nations and Inuit health branch

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  We can share with you; if you go on the website, it's there. If you look at the legislation, you see the legislation established the services. We can show you the organigram of the two departments and we can show you exactly where the principal services are. There was an ADM, fo

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  I think you're also as good as your outcomes. I think the best thing for us is to show what works on the ground and what the real solutions are. If you go into a first nations community that is under self-government, you see a difference. If you go to B.C. and you talk with the

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  We're in the same building. That helps.