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Information & Ethics committee  I don't have those names with me, Chair, and I wouldn't normally know. I think Ms. Telford made commitments to follow up on that.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  It is possible. I don't know the details of it. Particularly toward the end, the latter stages of the process, it is possible.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  In the form of discussions about the proposal as it was being developed, that is possible. PMO-to-PCO communication, that is possible.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  Communication is not direction.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  As I indicated to the finance committee, I take the question, Chair, as a personal one. I became aware of this particular file in a fairly light way and toward the latter stages.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  I can't confirm if it was at the May 8 briefing.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  Sometimes I am at a briefing. I'm typically at a briefing of the Prime Minister before cabinet, but not always.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  I suspect so, but I cannot be certain. I can check, if that's material.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  I have examined the record and consulted with colleagues and confirmed that that is the case.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  I suspect that I was there for the briefing on May 8 and May 22, but I don't want, without being certain, to tell the committee definitively. I believe, yes.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  I suspect that I was there. If you want me to confirm with my calendar, then I will do that. I can be at a meeting with the Prime Minister and be called out of the meeting, so there's—

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  No, it's never that.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  There are often places where you would rather not be if you had the complete choice, but—

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  I did say to the finance committee that Ms. Telford raised those questions, so it's well established that the Prime Minister and his chief of staff raised the issue of due diligence. That's been very clear and consistent.

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Information & Ethics committee  I would say there are differences of procedure and of substance. With respect to procedure, I think we have experienced what members of Parliament have experienced. The normal interactions out in the country with groups and communities were vastly curtailed. With respect to how

August 11th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart