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Natural Resources committee  I will turn to my CFO.

December 1st, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Natural Resources committee  I'll turn to my colleague in a minute, but first I'll say a couple of things with respect to TMX. The progress with respect to the construction of TMX obviously was affected by the COVID pandemic and by some of the other conditions that occurred in B.C., in particular during the last period of time.

December 1st, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Natural Resources committee  I'm sorry. Is there a question?

December 1st, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Natural Resources committee  Mr. Chair, I would just say that this has been a very significant piece of construction. This is a very large installation that's occurred. It's happened over a period of time. The work continues. It's come up against some challenges by virtue of the challenges that we have all faced in the world.

December 1st, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

December 1st, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Natural Resources committee  Mr. Chair, we're very mindful of the challenges of energy security internationally. Certainly the last year has brought home how significant these challenges can be, including for some of our closest allies. Within the next three years, it's projected that LNG Canada will be online, and that's 14 megatonnes per annum that would be available to the global market off our west coast and—

December 1st, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Natural Resources committee  Also, though, as an immediate matter, we did work with the provinces and with industry to increase the production that would happen this year, with a view to trying to address the challenges of energy security. This is an ongoing dialogue and it is something we're very mindful of.

December 1st, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Natural Resources committee  I'll maybe refer that to my colleague. I believe this would be Frank.

December 1st, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Natural Resources committee  I'll turn to my colleague, Drew Leyburne.

December 1st, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I am also honoured to be joining the committee from the unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people. Mr. Chair, the commissioner's report highlighted hydrogen's essential role in our future, and my department fully agrees. Much has happened since the report's release.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, the production of hydrogen is something that's been part of our industrial mix for a long time. We have been producing hydrogen in a variety of different ways through different technologies. What has changed recently is the degree of demand as some of the new technologies have come on board to create hydrogen both through electrolysis, which is through the conversion of water into hydrogen, and through the reform of natural gas, which essentially uses very high heat to separate out the hydrogen from the carbon in methane.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  It is increasing. The technology is advancing and demand is increasing. Such things as the crisis in Europe are advancing this even more quickly.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Again, there are a couple of pathways to hydrogen. Actually, there are several. The two principal ones present different sorts of challenges. If you're using electricity through electrolysis—separating water—then you need a sufficient energy supply in order for that to happen. Similarly, in the conversion of natural gas, you need to think about how energy is supplied in order to create the heat that would generate the separation of the molecules.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, we were engaged in a very specific exercise, which was to identify the full potential of hydrogen at a point in time. That exercise arrived at the figures that we've been discussing. That was intended as a call to action. It was not intended as an analysis, other than of the full potential of the technology.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  The risk is being left behind. As you mentioned, there is substantial investment that is happening internationally. We have strategic potential here. Any sorts of decisions with respect to this take time in order to come to fruition.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford