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Public Accounts committee  We are taking very substantial steps to address the emissions, which are just an aspect of our economy and society. The emissions reduction plan that was released in the spring is among the most ambitious and most detailed internationally to both understand the challenges that we face and provide pathways as to how we will be pursuing those challenges.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  There are a number of measures that have been announced, both in conjunction with the emissions reduction plan and through successive budgets, which are intended to foster innovation in this area. We've mentioned the investment tax credit that's been put in place with respect to the carbon capture and storage technologies.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, the potential here is manifold. We certainly have domestic applications of hydrogen that we are already seeing develop. I mentioned the transportation opportunities, but there are heavy industry opportunities as well. As the technology continues to develop.... I noted that there were a couple of feedstocks for hydrogen.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, as I mentioned, a series of conversations have been happening over the course of the last period of time, which increased our knowledge collectively with respect to hydrogen and its potential. I would say that we are seeing quite substantial progress. As I also mentioned, this is partially driven by our climate objectives.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I think various parts of the country are going to have various advantages with respect to hydrogen. I mentioned earlier the work that we are doing with the provinces and territories through the regional tables, and that's partially to make sure that we are being as focused as we can be on specific advantages that each of the regions has.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I would describe it as an area of real potential where we are dedicating very serious attention and serious resources, as we've mentioned, through various investments. In order for us to deal with the issues of both the climate crisis and energy security, we're going to have to think of a number of different pathways and pursue a number of different pathways in order to achieve what we need to achieve, but hydrogen certainly has the potential of being a very significant part of that mix.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, carbon capture and storage technology has been evolving over a number of years. It is not new, and we have applications of the technology that are functioning. In Alberta, the Quest project is an example. There are a couple of references there. There's the storage of the carbon, and there's also the means by which it's captured.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I would say that, in order for us to achieve what we need to achieve in terms of decarbonization, we are going to need to pursue a whole series of different kinds of technologies, including carbon capture and storage, and that's been recognized internationally by leading authorities on energy and on climate.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  The costs vary between the feedstocks, but one thing you're seeing through some of the international investments is the technology continuing to evolve, so —

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry. Was that a question for me?

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  We have been working on transportation routes as part of the—

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I'm not aware of any specific studies of costing of infrastructure, but I'll look to my colleague. No, we have not.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Perhaps I could answer—

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I think there are a couple of issues here. There is currently the potential to move hydrogen, to some degree. You can blend hydrogen with other gases and it can be moved through existing infrastructure at relatively low ratios. That is a possibility right now. Other possibilities are looking at other forms of transportation, as well as the possibility of retrofits to some existing infrastructure.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I would describe it as a work in progress.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford