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Public Accounts committee  We're on track for the next progress report next year.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I believe it's March. Is that right?

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I think that's probably for me. As I mentioned at the outset, the intention of the strategy was to set out full potential. Since the strategy was released, we've taken a series of measures at NRCan, including through the clean fuels fund, to look at specific applications of clean fuels.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, as I said, the intention here was to introduce a call to action. That included ambitious potential actions that could be taken to advance the use and production of hydrogen. I would take one step back too. When we talk about the transportation of hydrogen, infrastructure is part of that, but the applications become part of it too.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. I'm not familiar with the report. What I would say is that in order for us to achieve our overall climate objectives, we're going to have to think through a number of different technologies, and hydrogen is one of them.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  As I said, Mr. Chair, the—

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Well, I'm not saying that we would be increasing our carbon footprint as a result—

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry. Do you mean with respect to carbon capture and storage?

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I think carbon capture and storage has the potential of making a real contribution. As I mentioned earlier, we are already seeing the application of the technology, and it continues to evolve. As parts of industry look to reduce their carbon footprint—the Pathways group out of the oil sands has enunciated a vision of being net-zero—that will be a significant application of carbon capture and storage to meet our overall objectives over time.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, as I mentioned, the geopolitics have certainly changed in Europe, obviously, as a result of the aggression of Russia in Ukraine, and that has really brought to the fore the geopolitics of energy. Our partners are looking to Canada to continue to be a significant energy supplier and are looking at various means by which that could take place.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, there are several elements to that question. First of all, the ongoing modelling is something that continues to evolve. We mentioned earlier that we continue to have conversations with colleagues at ECCC, with the CER and with outside sources to make sure that we have refined models of what the future of hydrogen is.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I think one of the reasons we're continuing to have the conversations with experts is to make sure that we have the most accurate number possible.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  As I said, Mr. Chair, the ongoing review of our modelling is to be as accurate as possible. We'll see the outcomes of that with our next—

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  The numbers that are reflected in the report are from 2020.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, the intention of the report was to show the full potential. We have taken a series of tangible steps over the course of the last several years, including significant investments in the production of hydrogen through natural gas sources. That's concurrent with steps that have been taken by provincial governments and will be reflected in further work that we do with the provincial and territorial governments through the regional table approach.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford