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Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, as I said, the intention here was to introduce a call to action. That included ambitious potential actions that could be taken to advance the use and production of hydrogen. I would take one step back too. When we talk about the transportation of hydrogen, infrastructure is part of that, but the applications become part of it too.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. I'm not familiar with the report. What I would say is that in order for us to achieve our overall climate objectives, we're going to have to think through a number of different technologies, and hydrogen is one of them.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  As I said, Mr. Chair, the—

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Well, I'm not saying that we would be increasing our carbon footprint as a result—

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry. Do you mean with respect to carbon capture and storage?

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I think carbon capture and storage has the potential of making a real contribution. As I mentioned earlier, we are already seeing the application of the technology, and it continues to evolve. As parts of industry look to reduce their carbon footprint—the Pathways group out of the oil sands has enunciated a vision of being net-zero—that will be a significant application of carbon capture and storage to meet our overall objectives over time.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I think that's probably for me. As I mentioned at the outset, the intention of the strategy was to set out full potential. Since the strategy was released, we've taken a series of measures at NRCan, including through the clean fuels fund, to look at specific applications of clean fuels.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I believe it's March. Is that right?

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I'm going to diversify witnesses.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I can take that one. The whole process was launched last June, and the initial phase was with respect to British Columbia, Newfoundland and Manitoba. Since then, we've launched across the country. There are still a few provinces outstanding, but conversations are well under way.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  We're on track for the next progress report next year.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  I would agree that it is expensive in the current circumstances, but that's one of the reasons we are making the investments we are making, in order to advance the technology and to create the scale that will see some economic returns.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  It means building on technologies that are evolving now, and there may well be new applications. We were talking earlier about carbon capture and storage. You're seeing technologies where one of the ways in which natural gas is reformed is to use microwave to essentially create solid carbon and hydrogen.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  When it comes from electrolysis, it is expensive, and it is relatively expensive to the feedstock of natural gas. Again, this is subject to evolution, and that's partially a question of investment.

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, there are current applications of hydrogen—

December 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

John Hannaford