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Information & Ethics committee  I think in the general, macro sense, yes, we have to have these legislative tools. We have to have a capability of enforcement. We have to have some end games on that. You could use that template with other states. There's a deterrence effect, as well, when you have legislation.

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

Information & Ethics committee  Sure. That's a great question. I think we're solely focused on China because it is, as I've said, the A-team when it comes to foreign interference. There is absolutely no comparison in terms of scope and qualitative differences. One of my colleagues alluded to Iran. We've seen a shift in Iranian interference, such that they're now contracting out in the private sector.

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

Information & Ethics committee  No, I don't. I don't believe they're coming.... I'll be careful how I answer this, because I've been following this quite closely. You have two different lines of...we'll call it reporting with allegations, and there are qualitative differences between them. People who work in intelligence, in professions like CSIS, don't get worked up about outcomes.

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

Information & Ethics committee  That's a good question. There are two types of foreign interference. The first one, which is the easy one, involves the foreign state basically targeting the diaspora communities in relation to homeland issues. This could be through manipulation or intimidation. Members of a community don't want to talk about it, and they're used.

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

Information & Ethics committee  I have to say, actually, that the technology aspect of disinformation is an area that I really do not have a lot of background on.

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

Information & Ethics committee  I don't remember suggesting that the CSIS Act be amended, but are you just asking me about the difference between foreign interference and foreign influence?

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, very much. I was following it quite closely, so I read all the media on it.

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

Information & Ethics committee  If I'm thinking about the same one, there was a case in Britain, and I think MI5 was involved. However, I think, from what I read in the media, it's of questionable accuracy whether this.... This was, I think, a British subject who claimed that he reported to MI5 and it didn't take seriously what he was saying.

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

Information & Ethics committee  I'll be really brief. I think that particular case in Britain was so egregious. They had intelligence that it was coming from the United Front Work Department and the PRC through this British citizen, going right into an MP's campaign fund. I think there was probably a lot more going on, but it wasn't hitting any legal thresholds, so the best the British could do was send out this all-points bulletin to everybody, identifying her and basically saying to stay away and stay clear because she's a foreign-influence actor.

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good morning, members. My insight and understanding of PRC foreign interference comes from 32 years of operations with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, most of which was in what we called counter-intelligence. I worked in CI against hostile states—posted in the field and in headquarters—for a number of years.

March 31st, 2023Committee meeting

Dan Stanton