Justice committee  That's not true.

Justice committee  I'm sorry to interrupt you, but that's not true.

Justice committee  Building on this with the woman I was talking about, the paramountcy of public safety has been served by her now being in the forensic mental health system. If she had been placed in the prison system, as was likely to happen, she would still be in isolation. She would still be a

Justice committee  Yes. That's already possible, and yes, we would support that.

Justice committee  But you are dealing with charges all the time, of people being charged, being held criminally responsible, while they're in isolation. Ashley Smith accumulated almost 100 charges and new sentences, while she was in isolation—

Justice committee  —even though she wasn't maybe even physically attacked, and so did this woman, and so have others. The point is that if this were in place, neither her lawyer nor I would have encouraged her to pursue an NCR designation because of the risk of her being held without resources. We

Justice committee  Sure. I'll start with one about a woman who actually, under this provision, even regardless of the definition, would likely come under this definition of high risk, not because of anything she'd done while she was considered NCR, but in fact, all based on her illness and how she

Justice committee  No, we have not.

Justice committee  I am sorry, but I will speak in English.

Justice committee  Unfortunately, I can't see any manner in which this would assist victims to have monetary or psychological support. I would echo the comments of my colleagues on the panel and my own comments at the beginning, that really what we need to be seeing is more resources placed into

Justice committee  We're in the midst of the Ashley Smith inquest. I guess I don't have to say more about how that—

Justice committee  Thank you very much for the opportunity to appear before the committee. I attend on behalf of the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies, an association of 26 members who work with and on behalf of marginalized, victimized, criminalized, and institutionalized women and

Public Safety committee  Two things. If in fact the payment is due because the person has been victimized, then maybe one of the mechanisms you could look at is requiring that the state, whoever the state actor is who has violated the rights, has a surcharge. I think the concern about victims' surcharge

Public Safety committee  I'm sorry to interrupt. There aren't a lot who get settlements from the corrections service. Where they do, it has been after the Prison for Women situation, and Ashley Smith. There are some where people have--

Public Safety committee  I can't see it being something that will necessarily assist their rehabilitation. As I say, if they're getting settlements from corrections—from the state because of actions of corrections—then they're often, as I've mentioned, using those resources to get support to assist them