Evidence of meeting #19 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

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MPs speaking

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Pierre Corriveau  Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Management, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Nada Semaan  Assistant Deputy Minister, Farm Financial Programs Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Andrew Marsland  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Susie Miller  Director General, Food Value Chain Bureau, Market and Industry Services Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Rosser Lloyd  Director, Income Stabilization, Program Development, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Sandra Wing  Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Gordon White  Vice-President, Finance, Administration and Information Technology, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Cameron Prince  Vice-President, Operations, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

10:05 a.m.

Sandra Wing Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Thank you.

Good morning, Mr. Chairman, committee members.

I appreciate the opportunity to appear before the committee. My name is Sandra Wing, and I am the Vice-President of Policy and Programs. The agency is dedicated to safeguarding food, animals and plants, which enhances the health and well-being of Canada's people, environment and economy.

Food safety is a top priority for the Government of Canada. It is the agency's number one priority. We develop and deliver programs and services to protect Canadians from preventable health risks and to ensure that food safety emergencies are effectively managed.

We live in an era of increased trade and globalization. Our food safety system must evolve to meet the challenges we face, challenges posed by increasing trade, consumer demands, and differing food safety frameworks among countries.

The Speech from the Throne committed the government to introduce measures on food and product safety so that families can have confidence in what they buy. Amendments will be proposed to the Food and Drugs Act to allow this to happen in relation to food.

The amendments will also improve the legal foundation for the Food and Consumer Product Safety Action Plan, which Prime Minister Harper launched in December. The plan is intended to enhance the safety and reliability of consumer, food and health products by modernizing our system to better protect Canadians in our global environment.

Through this approach, more emphasis will be placed on verifying that industry measures are managing risks along the food continuum. Rather than waiting for problems to emerge, the emphasis will be placed on preventing problems early on. And, in the case where problems are identified, we will be able to respond quickly and take any necessary measures.

While not specifically a food safety issue, the action plan also includes a commitment to review the government's current policies on the use of "Product of Canada" and "Made in Canada" on food labels and advertising. To make this a reality, we are working with consumers, the private sector, and our partners in government to find appropriate ways of addressing consumer calls for more information.

The Government of Canada is also committed to a new way of managing tax dollars to ensure every dollar spent delivers results for Canadians. A key element of this new approach is to conduct strategic reviews of all program spending on a four-year cycle.

In the fall of 2007, the CFIA was one of the 17 initial departments and agencies that undertook a comprehensive reassessment of its programs. As a result, the agency put forward a series of reallocation proposals that could more effectively support government priorities.

As outlined in last week's budget, savings realized through these initiatives will be reallocated to higher priority and higher performing programs. This will enable us to better manage emerging health risks, and ensure the quality and safety of food that Canadians purchase.

Another initiative that we are working on is the Government of Canada's Paper Burden Reduction Initiative, which aims to reduce the paper burden on businesses by 20%. As a key partner, the agency will be identifying areas where administrative and paperwork burden can be reduced. The recent budget confirmed a deadline of November 2008 for achieving these reductions.

Before I talk about our operating budget, I would like to touch on BSE, a significant issue that we have been dealing with for some time now.

As you know, the first case of BSE in Canada resulted in the closing of many important markets for Canadian beef, cattle, and bovine genetics, but in the four years since then, 33 markets have reopened to Canadian exports, either partially or fully. I'm pleased to say that Canadian exports are now substantially at the levels they were pre-BSE.

Canadian industry remains strongly committed to gaining full access for Canadian beef, cattle, and genetics in all markets. The government continues to work with industry to pursue this objective by all means available. These efforts include ongoing bilateral discussions with potential markets and regular representations in multilateral fora such as the World Trade Organization.

In these efforts, the CFIA leads the work on technical market access negotiations, including organizing incoming and outgoing missions, providing technical information on BSE and Canada's BSE-related measures, and issuing export certificates.

I'll turn now to the agency's operating budget for 2007-08, which has increased by approximately by $17.8 million. This money will help us to deliver on our mandate in the following ways.

First, a large portion of the money, $16.7 million, is for a one-time retroactive payment resulting from the engineering and scientific support group reclassification.

The agency will be receiving in supplementary estimates (B) $575,000 to implement the consumer product and food recall advertising campaign. This two-year campaign will invest a total of $4.575 million, and is aimed at increasing Canadians' awareness of consumer product and food recalls. It will also point Canadians to the website where they can subscribe to the agency's food recall e-mail list serve.

We will be getting a $586,000 transfer from Public Works and Government Services Canada. This amount represents savings due to a relocation of CFIA staff into Health Canada facilities. The agency's decision to consolidate staff will increase the efficiency and use of federal government space.

As well, $15,000 will be transferred to Environment Canada. This money will go toward increasing aboriginal participation in science and technology careers in the federal public service.

Finally, $12,500 will be transferred to the Canadian Institutes of Health Research for avian influenza pandemic preparedness research, the goal of which is to strengthen our knowledge base and enhance our capacity in pandemic preparedness research.

These additional funds, which bring the agency's appropriations for 2007-08 to $627.9 million, will help us continue to successfully protect Canada's food supply and safeguard human, animal, and plant health.

Thank you.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you, and thanks for staying within the time limit.

We're going to stick with the five-minute rounds, and we're going to kick it off with Mr. St. Amand.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Lloyd St. Amand Liberal Brant, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you for your presentation, Ms. Wing.

I'm looking at the portion of your presentation that talks about the operating budget, which has been increased by approximately $17.8 million. A large portion of that--frankly, the overwhelming majority of it--is for a one-time retroactive payment resulting from the reclassification of a certain support group. I take it this refers to retroactive bonuses or increases in salary for the support group. Is that fair to say?

10:10 a.m.

Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Sandra Wing

It's primarily salary-related.

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Lloyd St. Amand Liberal Brant, ON

Right.

How many individuals are in the engineering and scientific support group?

10:10 a.m.

Gordon White Vice-President, Finance, Administration and Information Technology, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Mr. Chair, this reclassification exercise relates to our EG inspectors, our meat inspector group. Approximately 650 positions were reclassified as a result of a long-standing classification discussion we had with our union representing that group. This goes back to the year 2000 in terms of retroactivity. So it's retroactivity on salary and on any overtime that would have been earned in that timeframe.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Lloyd St. Amand Liberal Brant, ON

So 650 persons, more or less, will receive a total of $16.7 million. Am I correct on that?

10:15 a.m.

Vice-President, Finance, Administration and Information Technology, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Gordon White

Mr. Chair, if I could correct that, it's 650 positions. Over the timeframe, probably in the area of 1,100 to 1,200 people have actually gone through those positions. So we would deal with 1,100 to 1,200 accounts.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Lloyd St. Amand Liberal Brant, ON

Okay.

Juxtaposed against this is the fact that there are 1.1 million, more or less, aboriginals in Canada. Is the $15,000 being transferred to Environment Canada to go toward increasing aboriginal participation in the science and technology group--$15,000 among hundreds of thousands of people--not absurdly, embarrassingly puny compared with an overall budget of $17.8 million?

10:15 a.m.

Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Sandra Wing

The program that we have made a contribution to is being funded by more than the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, as it relates to the aboriginal science and technology careers. I don't have with me the total government investment.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Lloyd St. Amand Liberal Brant, ON

Is it $16.7 million?

10:15 a.m.

Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Sandra Wing

I'm sure it's not.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Lloyd St. Amand Liberal Brant, ON

I'm equally sure.

The other item is the advertising campaign, a total of $4.5 million aimed at increasing Canadians' awareness of consumer product and food recalls. It will also point Canadians to the website.

We all know that there are a significant number of Canadians, particularly in rural areas, who have no acquaintanceship with websites. I appreciate that number is declining, but there are still a number of Canadians who can be pointed at a thousand websites and it helps them not at all. What proactive steps are being taken to ensure that all Canadians, particularly seniors, are made aware of the food recall?

10:15 a.m.

Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Sandra Wing

The program for consumer product and food recall advertising includes more than directing Canadians to the e-mail lists. Of the 2,915 food and safety investigations, there were 246 recalls issued. We do feel it's important that consumers are able to access quickly what is on the recall list. However, in terms of other means, there are written media, in an effort to try to reach everyone, as well as those who access our website quite regularly.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Lloyd St. Amand Liberal Brant, ON

If I have time left, I'll defer to Mr.—

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

You have 20 seconds.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Lloyd St. Amand Liberal Brant, ON

All right. That's fine.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you.

Monsieur Bellavance.

10:15 a.m.

Bloc

André Bellavance Bloc Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Thank you for your testimony and for being here.

I'm a bit surprised to hear you say that you have a supplementary budget of $17.8 million and that part of that amount isn't allocated to an obvious food safety need. I know it's very important to conduct audits and ensure the traceability and safety of products manufactured in the country. However, year after year, you come and tell us about problems concerning products from outside Canada, such as melamine in pork, spinach, carrot juice and so on.

Every time, I ask you—and I'm not the only one around this table who does it—whether you have enough resources to verify the safety of products from outside the country containing substances that are not allowed or used in Canada but are elsewhere. We're of course talking about China, India and other emerging economies. I'm surprised to see that part of this amount isn't being allocated to foreign inspections. Do you have sufficient resources to conduct these checks? I always find it a little hard to get an answer to that question.

I'm going to talk about a completely different issue. Did the agency save or spend money when it decided to exclude the Fédération des producteurs de pommes du Québec from the process of allocating departmental exemptions? You decided to offload that responsibility to the Association des emballeurs de pommes du Québec. How can you explain that decision when it's only Quebec that will be proceeding in that manner? The Fédération des producteurs de pommes du Québec has been handling the issue of marketing in the event of shortage. Suddenly the agency decided that this component was the packagers' responsibility. That isn't how it works in the other provinces. Can that decision be attributed to a financial or other reason? That's never been explained to us.

10:20 a.m.

Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Sandra Wing

I will try to address the first question, which relates to resources for food safety, in particular in relation to imports.

Not showing in our supplementary estimates, which is our budget for this year, are resources that were announced in last week's budget: $113 million over two years allocated to the Food Inspection Agency and to Health Canada to enhance our ability to deal with food safety issues, particularly focused on imports. So there has been an infusion, or there will be on April 1.

I don't know, Cam, if you want to address the apple question.

10:20 a.m.

Cameron Prince Vice-President, Operations, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

I must confess I'm not an expert on the issue; I am aware of it.

My understanding was there had been some consultations around that change, and yes, I'm aware that there was some concern in the industry. I believe it wasn't necessarily done as a cost-saving measure but in the interests of efficiency. I understood there had been general consensus prior to moving to that, but certainly we can get back to you with more information. We don't have someone here today who is totally familiar with that file. Certainly we'll make every effort to get back to you with an answer.

10:20 a.m.

Bloc

André Bellavance Bloc Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

That would be good, but watch out when you talk about consensus. The Fédération des producteurs de pommes du Québec, which, as I told you, has been handling the matter for 20 years, said that the decision made no sense. Its members were completely shocked by the decision and, moreover, still are.

Going back to food safety, particularly pet food, if I'm not mistaken, Mr. White, it was you who said, when you came and testified, that your agency wasn't directly involved in the matter of the health of pets. For it to be involved, the issue would really have to be related to human health. In other words, there would have to be a case of human contamination as a result of handling animal food.

Where does this matter stand? It's always the same thing: the media got a hold of it at one point, animals were sick, and some had even died. Have there been any changes? Has your agency asked for a little more power in this area, or is there still a legal gap? Does someone handle the matter when it concerns pets?

10:20 a.m.

Vice-President, Finance, Administration and Information Technology, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Gordon White

Cam, would you care to answer that?

10:20 a.m.

Vice-President, Operations, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Cameron Prince

Yes, I'll try to answer as well.

As you know, we work in pet foods. We continue to provide export certification and inspection of imports for pet food. It's an area that's under study at the agency. We were asked to go back and look at some of the applicants for pet food in the future. That work is not yet complete; I think it will take a number of months before we will be able to get back to you with more clarity on that.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Your time has expired.

Mr. Miller is next.