Evidence of meeting #43 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreed.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nicolas McCandie Glustien  Manager, Legislative Affairs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Tony Ritchie  Executive Director, Strategic Policy and International Affairs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Rosser Lloyd  Director General, Business Risk Management Programs Directorate, Programs Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
David-Andrés Novoa  Procedural Clerk
Sara Guild  Acting Manager and Senior Counsel, Agriculture and Food Inspection Legal Services, Department of Justice

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Lemieux Conservative Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

I have not so much a question as a comment.

Although I understand the intent of this amendment, I think it is important to recognize that the agricultural growth act is not an act in its own right. It's legislation that is called an amending statute, so it's going to amend, as you've clearly pointed out, nine other pieces of legislation. Basically, once the provisions come into force, the act is basically spent. It's going to go into those other acts to amend those other acts. The agricultural growth act, Bill C-18 itself, doesn't have any life to it once its provisions have been implemented in the nine other acts.

The other thing I would point out on the five-year review period, is that when you look at the nine different acts it impacts, there are different review periods associated with those different acts. To give you an example, the PBRA has a ten-year review window. The AMPA has a five-year review period. The FDMA, Farm Debt Mediation Act, has a five-year window. So the proposed amendment doesn't actually address what you ultimately want, and I don't think we want to go through all the acts and specify something that has already been specified in certain of those acts already.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bev Shipley

Mr. Allen, please.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

It's an interesting comment by my friend across the way, that there are some that are and some that aren't. I take what he says. that this really is an amending of the act for many things. That's part of the problem of how we see it.

Not only that, the reason we tried so hard to change the incorporation by reference is that so many of these things may change, and we wouldn't actually see them come to us as parliamentarians per se. The intent of reviewing what really is an omnibus act is always difficult because it is exactly that and it affects so many other bits and pieces. I think it might have been deemed out of order if we had suggested a five-year review of this act or that act. The clerk might have said that we're not actually studying that act per se, so we may not have been able to actually do that. That was why we tried to look at it as one piece, albeit we know that this affects different legislation.

I hear what my friends across the way have said. My hope is that there would be some understanding that this is indeed a comprehensive change to agriculture in this country, and that some form of review, whether those pieces are in the statutes now and in those acts that this bill will change... If they are not, hopefully the government will think about it and decide to place review pieces inside those particular acts that may not have them at the moment. I would suggest that the term of five years is an appropriate one so that we can actually take a look to see if this worked the way it was intended or if there are problems with what it was intended to do.

I don't have a value judgment on that, because I don't know. You may well have gotten it right and you may well only have to tweak it. Or you may have to take it back and say, “Oh my goodness, it's time for the drawing board.” But then again, it may be somebody else who's doing it for you, because you might be on this side of the House. It's for Canadians to decide how that happens next year.

Let me just leave it at that, Mr. Chair. As Mr. Eyking has said, thank you for steering this through. I think you've done an admirable job, sir. I greatly appreciate it.

To my friends across the way, it's always a pleasure. I think there were some good comments coming back and forth, as Mr. Lemieux has said. Let me be clear: in this game, you win some and you lose some. That's okay. That's the way it's played. I don't have a problem with that. I do appreciate the conversation back and forth. In my view, it was respectful. We don't agree on certain things. Who would have thought that in Parliament, we don't agree in an adversarial system? That's just the way it is sometimes. Hopefully we'll be able to craft other amendments at some point in the future that we may agree on more than we did on some of these, Mr. Chair, but let me end my comments there.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bev Shipley

Thank you very much for your comments all around.

I don't see any other hands up for discussion. On new clause 153.1, amendment NDP-16, those in support?

(Amendment negatived)

Shall clause 154 carry?

(Clause 154 agreed to)

We're almost done.

Shall clause 1 carry?

5:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bev Shipley

Shall the title carry?

5:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bev Shipley

Shall the bill carry as amended?

5:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bev Shipley

Shall I report the bill as amended to the House?

5:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Lemieux Conservative Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Please do.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bev Shipley

Shall the committee order a reprint of the bill?

5:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bev Shipley

First of all, colleagues, I want to thank the staff at the administration at the end of the table for spending this time with us in helping to clarify this and to bring about the clarification needed in some of the questions.

Colleagues, as Mr. Allen aptly said, I want to thank you for the cordiality with which the committee operates and with which this bill went through. We did have very good discussion. The bill will get reported to the House very soon.

The meeting is adjourned.