Evidence of meeting #9 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was innovation.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sylvain Charlebois  Professor, Dalhousie University, Director, Agri-Food Analytics Lab, As an Individual
Malcolm Campbell  Vice-President, Research, University of Guelph
Rene Van Acker  Dean, Ontario Agricultural College, University of Guelph
Fernande Ouellet  Coordinator, Le petit abattoir
William Greuel  Chief Executive Officer, Protein Industries Canada

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

I call the meeting to order.

Welcome to the ninth meeting of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on October 24, 2020, the committee is commencing its study on processing capacity.

Our witness panels will each last 45 minutes today, followed by 30 minutes of committee business at the end of the meeting.

Today's meeting is being held in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House Order of September 23, 2020. Proceedings will be posted on the House of Commons website. For your information, the webcast will always show the person speaking, rather than the entire committee.

To ensure an orderly meeting, I would like to outline a few rules to follow. Members and witnesses may speak in the official language of their choice. You have the choice, at the bottom of your screen, of either the Floor, English or French. Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. This is a reminder that all comments by members and witnesses should be addressed through the Chair. When you are not speaking, your mic should be on mute.

With that, we are ready to begin.

I would like to start by welcoming our witnesses for the first hour. We have, appearing as an individual, Mr. Sylvain Charlebois, professor, Dalhousie University, director, Agri-Food Analytics Lab.

From the University of Guelph, we have Mr. Malcolm Campbell, vice-president, research; and Rene Van Acker, dean, Ontario Agricultural College.

Welcome, everyone.

With that, we'll start with seven and a half minutes of opening statements.

Mr. Charlebois, if you're ready, you have the floor.

3:35 p.m.

Dr. Sylvain Charlebois Professor, Dalhousie University, Director, Agri-Food Analytics Lab, As an Individual

Thank you, Mr. Chair and dear members. I would like to thank the committee for inviting us to speak about an especially important sector of our economy, food manufacturing and processing.

First off, I would like to acknowledge that I am currently in Mi’kma’ki, the ancestral and unceded territory of the Mi’kmaq people.

Food manufacturing is really the strategic centrepiece—the anchor, if you will—of our entire agri-food sector, and it is slowly eroding. Without a strong food manufacturing sector, controlling our innovation agenda, supporting our farmers and providing high-quality, domestically produced foods to Canadians become much more challenging—much more. Without these, we make our entire supply chain more vulnerable to factors that are often beyond our control, such as climate change, mixed food safety standards, currency fluctuations and logistical disruptions.

Food innovation has become a focal point for most countries in recent years, as governments recognize the importance of growing economies in both rural and urban settings. Innovation will gain greater market currency when achieved in processing. Some countries have achieved greater success than others in fostering a culture of innovative thinking for the food industry. Research that benchmarks countries using specific innovation pillars has never been conducted until now. The Agri-Food Analytics Lab at Dalhousie University, in partnership with Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada and Food, Health & Consumer Products Canada, compares how countries have been creating proper conditions for the industry to innovate further. To our knowledge, it is the first attempt to compare countries specifically on food innovation. We have been working on this report for about 18 months now, and it will be released in February 2021.

The global food innovation index compares factors contributing to innovation in the food, beverage and agri-food industries across the following 10 countries: Canada, the U.S., Mexico, the U.K., France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Japan, and Australia. Countries were selected to provide geographic diversity within the sample, as well as a range of mid- to top-level performances in terms of GDP. As this index was generated in a Canadian context, countries were also selected based on trade capacities and competitiveness. The framework used for our evaluation is in the appendix of my statement.

Based on the data we currently have, Canada did not perform well, especially under pillars 1 and 2, which cover our regulatory environment and how business competitiveness is affecting our food industry’s overall performance. This is one of the main reasons that the consideration of a code of practice is so critical at this juncture. Capitalizing our operations here while avoiding the scenario of over-regulation is key.

However, here are some hard realities about how deficient our food processing sector has been over the years. Beyond Meat, one of the most successful plant-based companies in the world, should have been Canadian. Maple Leaf Foods, which recently opted to build a $300-million plant in Indiana, should have done so in Canada. Fairlife, a nutrient-rich, ultra-filtered milk, a brand owned by Coca-Cola and now sold in Canada, should have been a Canadian-designed product.

We should, however, celebrate some true achievements in Canada despite our lack of innovative focus. The Leamington story is truly a miracle. The recent Kraft Heinz, Corona and Stella Artois announcements are also very positive steps. The greatest and most effective food supercluster we currently have in Canada, which generates an abundance of innovation, is called President’s Choice, but it is actually a closed innovation system, not an open one.

Protein Industries Canada is one of Canada's best open innovation systems that we have right now, and to replicate such a model for other commodities is worthy of consideration.

Over the past decade, nearly 4,000 food processing plants have opened in the United States, compared to only 20 in Canada.

In addition, 83% of new branded products launched in Canada have been neither designed nor manufactured here. This lack of innovation is deeply rooted in our inability to think creatively or to generate intellectual property for this essential agri-food industry. Human capital is also a problem. There are currently 28,000 vacant positions in this sector, which clearly has a problem building human capital.

Our food processing sector must do more to achieve the ambitious objectives stated in the Barton report. This isn't just an issue of food self-sufficiency; it's also a matter of creating jobs in the regions by promoting greater export growth.

Thank you very much for your attention.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Thank you, Mr. Charlebois.

We'll now hear from the University of Guelph.

You have seven and a half minutes between the two of you.

Go ahead. You have the floor.

3:40 p.m.

Malcolm Campbell Vice-President, Research, University of Guelph

Thank you very much.

Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Dr. Malcolm Campbell. I have the pleasure of serving as the vice-president, research, at the University of Guelph.

I'm joined today by [Technical difficulty—Editor]

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

I'm not hearing anything. Did his camera freeze?

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

I'm not either.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Can we check that out, Madam Clerk?

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Chair, may I suggest we go to our next witness while we're waiting?

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

We can certainly do that.

Madam Clerk, do you want to have the sound checked for Mr. Campbell?

We don't have another witness, actually. We do have—

3:40 p.m.

Vice-President, Research, University of Guelph

Malcolm Campbell

My apologies. I am back. I don't know what happened there. It was very strange.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Go ahead, Mr. Campbell.

3:40 p.m.

Vice-President, Research, University of Guelph

Malcolm Campbell

Thank you.

On behalf of the University of Guelph, we would like to thank all of you members today for the opportunity to present to you. We report to you today from the traditional territory of the Attawandaron people, and today this is the treaty territory of the Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation.

The University of Guelph, where I am today, is Canada's food university. We're recognized internationally as a leading academic and research institution, ranking first in Canada and third worldwide in agricultural and food research.

At the University of Guelph, we are committed to solving real-world challenges in the agri-food sector by stimulating innovation and equipping our students with the knowledge to become leaders in the field.

Regarding the committee's study, we believe that Canada's food and beverage processing sector has strong growth potential, specifically with international exports.

As vice-president of research, I know first-hand, and will therefore focus on, the necessity of investing in research and development as a means to drive innovation and in turn encourage growth in capacity and in exports in the sector. My colleague, Dean Van Acker, will then speak to the necessity of training the sector's next-generation talent pool.

Investments into R and D are needed to grow Canada's processing capacity while achieving better integration throughout the value chain. A key point here is that Canada's food and beverage processing sector is unique in its composition. Centralized right here in our own backyard in Ontario, the food processing sector is composed of some large and medium-sized companies and a very large number of small and very small companies.

For those on the smaller scale, access to R and D resources remains an immense challenge. R and D and innovation need to be considered along the entirety of the value chain, with strong localized connections between primary producer, processor and the market.

There's an advantage in incorporating vertical integration where there is a line of sight across the value chain, where innovation and processing will impact both upstream and downstream elements. We see this first-hand at the University of Guelph in our vertically integrated R and D, for example, in Canada's beef sector.

At the University of Guelph, from outdoor pasture research in northern Ontario to sophisticated livestock production research in Elora and onward to our unique CFIA-licensed abattoir to innovation and finished product and, finally, to consumer preference and nutritional testing, we conduct meat science research that completely integrates along the value chain, and we see where innovation has an impact.

Innovation is embedded throughout the entire value chain, and we do the same at the University of Guelph for many other verticals, from dairy to row crops to fruits and vegetables, covering many of the 200 food commodities that call Ontario home.

What we've learned here is that a fundamental component of our R and D value-add is providing the most modern and technologically driven system to our partners, as well as partnering to capture that value-add as a distinct selling point at the market.

Looking forward, technological trends and advanced manufacturing such as automation, blockchain traceability and artificial intelligence will be critical in the food and beverage processing sector. Again, we see that first-hand through our hands-on R and D at the University of Guelph. Value chains based on real-time information technology will help us deliver and manage resources more efficiently, producing more food and reducing our environmental footprint.

Investments in R and D are key in bridging that gap. We need to invest in the possibilities of Canadian companies' capacity to grow to export sophistication. A key element of getting this right is that we need to integrate a highly trained talent pool into that R and D component.

I'm now going to turn to my colleague, Dean Rene Van Acker, to speak to the training of that talent pool.

3:45 p.m.

Dr. Rene Van Acker Dean, Ontario Agricultural College, University of Guelph

Thank you, Malcolm.

Thank you, Mr. Chair and committee members, for this opportunity.

My name is Rene Van Acker. I am dean of the Ontario Agricultural College at the University of Guelph.

I want to note that I am also a member of the Deans Council, Agriculture, Food & Veterinary Medicine, and I helped to lead the Growing Canada's food and beverage processing sector report, which we prepared for Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, and which the committee was previously briefed on by Professor Martin Scanlon, who is dean of the faculty of agricultural and food sciences from the University of Manitoba. That was on November 19.

I'd like to pick up where Dr. Campbell left off, specifically with how investments in research and development have a direct correlation to training the next generation of highly skilled employees and agri-food leaders.

Investments in university agri-food research, including in infrastructure, become investments in our capacity to teach and train highly qualified students through hands-on learning, with real-world equipment in world-leading facilities, creating the future and working to grow Canada's agri-food sector hand in hand with food company partners of all sizes, including small and very small food companies.

As many of you will know, there is a growing labour market demand in the food and beverage processing sector. Professor Charlebois referred to it as well. As an institution focused on educating agriculture and food leaders, the University of Guelph understands these trends uniquely. Even if we consider only the Ontario job market, for example, for our graduates, there are currently four jobs for every graduate of an agriculture and food-specific program. In 2012, it was three for every one graduate.

Considering that the main concentration of the food and beverage processing sector in Canada is in Ontario, this is a direct barrier to growth in the processing sector. Access to highly skilled talent is essential for the industry to grow its productivity and to support innovation and trade, as well as to grow in the sophistication required to be export leaders. We need these highly qualified professionals across the value chain from field to fork. A talent pool with diversity in not only expertise but also in composition, reflecting the global population, is necessary. Canada is fortunate to have a comparative advantage, with large diaspora communities that can present incredible opportunities in market testing.

In conclusion, I would say that the opportunity for growth in processing capacity is right in front of us, as all the right ingredients are here. Investments in research and development and in highly qualified personnel training are the missing links.

On behalf of Dr. Campbell and myself, I'd like to extend my gratitude to the committee for this opportunity. The University of Guelph looks forward to continuing to be a trusted partner to both government and industry.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Thank you very much, Mr. Van Acker.

Now we'll go to our question rounds, starting with Ms. Lianne Rood for six minutes.

Go ahead, Ms. Rood.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Lianne Rood Conservative Lambton—Kent—Middlesex, ON

Thank you, Chair. I will be splitting my time with Mr. Epp today.

Mr. Charlebois, thank you for being here today and thank you for that great introduction.

I have said before, and I am sure you're well aware, that there is a high concentration of market control with so few retailers in the grocery industry. I am just wondering if you can comment particularly—and there are a few components to this—on why innovation in food processing in Canada lags behind that in other countries and what that high concentration does here in Canada, and perhaps give us your thoughts with regard to a solution to that problem.

3:50 p.m.

Professor, Dalhousie University, Director, Agri-Food Analytics Lab, As an Individual

Dr. Sylvain Charlebois

That is a fair question.

I would say that right now the pressure that is being put on processors, coming from food distributors, is immense. It doesn't allow for any projects to be capitalized upstream in processing in particular.

One of the reasons I brought up our global food innovation index is that it does point to the lack of investments coming from abroad. Kellogg's, PepsiCo, Unilever and Procter & Gamble all hire thousands of Canadians, and they are now divesting. They're now leaving the country because they can't capitalize any projects as a result of these increasing fees. The competitive environment here in Canada is not very attractive.

What the protein industries cluster with PIC, Protein Industries Canada, is doing is actually the reverse. I know you'll hear from Mr. Greuel later, but it is actually doing the opposite, attracting more DI—direct investment—from abroad, and that's what's needed.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Lianne Rood Conservative Lambton—Kent—Middlesex, ON

With so few retailers, we're often not seeing very many independent grocery retailers anymore. You have commented publicly before on the need for provinces or the government to move forward on something, whether it's the Competition Bureau or a grocery code of conduct. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on that. How would that help stop the supply chain bullying of grocery stores in Canada on suppliers and farmers, and how would that help the general public diminish the cost of their groceries and make their grocery bills not go up?

3:50 p.m.

Professor, Dalhousie University, Director, Agri-Food Analytics Lab, As an Individual

Dr. Sylvain Charlebois

Some of the work done by Parliament is noteworthy, because we now have a committee looking at this issue. It was created on Friday. It will be co-chaired by the agriculture minister at the federal level and the provincial agriculture minister from Quebec. This is a step in the right direction to explore this issue.

I think it is time to consider the implementation of a code of conduct. I'm not entirely convinced it can work in Canada. I've always told CPG companies or processors to be careful what they wish for. If it's not well designed, if it's ill designed, it could actually encourage this oligopolistic group to purchase food elsewhere, outside of Canada. We have to be very, very careful, so I was very pleased to hear about the committee at the federal level looking into this matter.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Lianne Rood Conservative Lambton—Kent—Middlesex, ON

Great. Thank you.

I'll pass my time over to Mr. Epp.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Thank you. I'll jump right in.

Mr. Charlebois, 50% of Canada's raw food, raw products, are exported. By extension, unless my thinking is wrong, that makes them relatively competitive, particularly as some of those raw products are then reimported in their processed or manufactured form. Of course, the example I am most familiar with is cucumbers here in southern Ontario. We actually now grow more, after all of our picklers closed, and they are all being exported to the U.S. and then brought back in.

You mentioned four impediments to processing: climate change; I missed the second one, and I'm sorry; currency fluctuations; and logistical problems. Climate change would affect our raw production, but let's take that one off the table for the moment. Could you comment on the priority of those other three? Where is it, or is it very much the simple fact that there isn't enough margin in it for our processors and manufacturers because of the retailer concentration?

3:55 p.m.

Professor, Dalhousie University, Director, Agri-Food Analytics Lab, As an Individual

Dr. Sylvain Charlebois

It really depends on what commodity you are looking at. I am of the mind that we need to think about controlled environment agriculture systems much more. If you think about food autonomy, a lot of provinces are moving in that direction.

Kraft Heinz is a good example of some of the things we may not be doing right in Canada. Kraft Heinz just announced it was building a new plant in Montreal. Quebec taxpayers are providing a $2-million loan, guaranteed by taxpayers in Quebec, but all the tomatoes that will be processed in Montreal will be coming from the United States. Farmers gain nothing out of this. There is a promise on the table stating that tomatoes will be coming from Quebec, but I don't see how it can be done, at this point. When we think about supporting processing, we have to adopt a value chain approach.

There is nothing wrong, by the way, with exporting. Actually, I think the Barton report encourages us to think about exports. If we want to make our food affordable, safe, and of high quality for Canadians, we cannot pretend that we can do that by just thinking about feeding 38 million people. We have way more to offer. Why not profit from exports by making sure our food is affordable and safe for Canadians as well?

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Thank you, Mr. Charlebois and Mr. Epp.

Mr. Drouin, you have six minutes. Go ahead.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm going to share my speaking time with my honourable colleague Mr. Louis.

Mr. Charlebois, I'd like to make sure I'm understanding this. You mentioned the Fairlife product at the start of your remarks. Is it the trademark that Canada doesn't own? I know there's a plant in Peterborough. I think I misunderstood.

3:55 p.m.

Professor, Dalhousie University, Director, Agri-Food Analytics Lab, As an Individual

Dr. Sylvain Charlebois

Yes, I was alluding to the plant in Peterborough.

I think Fairlife is a missed opportunity for Canadian producers and processors. I don't understand why we needed an American business to remind us that there was a market opportunity in Canada. We should have developed that product in Canada a long time ago.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

I see. Thank you very much.

This question will be to all the panellists.

I'd love to hear about the issue of access to labour. We've been hearing that major slaughtering capacity in Canada is operating at 60% capacity because they simply don't have access to labour.

How does that tie in to automation? We've heard that—whether it's CME putting out a report—in any manufacturing capacity, Canada is somewhat behind in terms of automation. This is also true in the food industry.

I'd love to hear what types of innovation and barriers you're hearing about from industry and what the Government of Canada could potentially do.