Evidence of meeting #6 for Bill C-35 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was police.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Tony Cannavino  President, Canadian Police Association
Amanda Connolley  Legal Counsel, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police
Yves Francoeur  President, Fraternité des policiers et policières de la Communauté urbaine de Montréal Inc., Canadian Police Association
Daryl Tottenham  Sergeant, New Westminster Police Service, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police
Peter Cuthbert  Executive Director, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police
Dave Wilson  President, Toronto Police Association, Canadian Police Association
David Griffin  Executive Officer, Canadian Police Association

4:55 p.m.

President, Canadian Police Association

Tony Cannavino

Très brièvement, I don't think it would target the buffoon, because if we look at the 12 indictable offences, they're right there and they are significant here.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

Of course all the bad offences and all the bad guys, yes, that's right. But the net also includes possessing ammunition and transferring ammunition, even if you haven't shot a bullet, even if you don't have a gun. That's all I'm asking for the acknowledgement of.

5 p.m.

President, Canadian Police Association

Tony Cannavino

Mr. Lee, as we said, it's not mandatory. It's still the judge who will determine whether that person should have bail or not.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bernard Patry

I would like to thank all the witnesses.

Do you have something else to add?

5 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

I think Mr. Tottenham wanted to add something.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bernard Patry

I'm sorry, I didn't see your hand. Mr. Tottenham.

5 p.m.

Sergeant, New Westminster Police Service, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police

Daryl Tottenham

I'll keep it very short.

I acknowledge the point you're trying to make here, and I think you have to realize that in any legislation you put forward, you have that human factor where the police are part of the process, where we actually go through the bail process with the JPs in the bill application. We have, obviously, the intelligence and the information before us, from who we're dealing with, to be able to determine when you have somebody who's a hardened criminal who is clearly a threat to the public safety, as opposed to somebody who is naive and has kind of wandered into a trap and has a handful of bullets. So I think that human factor side is your safety net to make sure, because we certainly don't want to go down that road either and just arbitrarily put everybody who falls under that category in. I think that's how it would play out.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

Thank you for putting that on the record.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bernard Patry

I would like to thank the witnesses from the Canadian Police Association and those from the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police for having appeared before the committee this afternoon.

Thank you.

The meeting is adjourned.