Evidence of meeting #113 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was line.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Sébastien Rochon  Counsel, Department of Justice
Christine Loth-Bown  Vice-President, Policy Development Sector, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Philippe Méla
Brent Parker  Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Jeff Labonté  Assistant Deputy Minister, Major Projects Management Office, Department of Natural Resources

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

I'm sorry. I didn't realize....

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

That's okay. We're not there yet.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

I thought we were.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I know, we're getting anxious.

On PV-43, Ms. May.

12:10 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

By the way, Linda has already brought it to my attention that when we were drafting, the drafters used the previous name, the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, so that will need amending as a subamendment to bring it up to date with the current name.

These were recommendations from the Assembly of First Nations so that when an impact assessment of a designated project is going to a review panel, there's an opportunity for the Minister of the Environment, and the minister for I think at this point not indigenous services, but the proper title for Carolyn Bennett, as minister of indigenous legal and treaty rights—I'm afraid I don't have the proper name in front of me, as I'm still having trouble remembering the names of the newly divided ministries—to have their own conversation to provide alternative project review, which will ensure that any assessment will be done thoroughly on impacts to aboriginal and treaty rights of the designated project whenever there's a joint establishment of a review panel.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Shall the amendment carry?

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I would like a recorded vote.

May 10th, 2018 / 12:15 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I'll make the subamendment for her.

I would like to replace “minister of Indian and northern development” with “minister of indigenous and northern affairs”.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay. That seems reasonable.

All those in favour of the amendment to the amendment, which is just correcting the name.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I would like a recorded vote.

(Subamendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Shall the amended amendment carry?

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I would like a recorded vote.

(Amendment as amended negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We are now on PV-44, Ms. May.

If this is adopted, LIB-26 and CPC-4 cannot be moved because there will be a line conflict, just to let you know.

12:15 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

I've spoken to this issue before, Madam Chair. It relates to the exclusions that occur in this act, in that the minister can't enter into a joint review panel agreement where the physical activities are regulated under the Nuclear Safety and Control Act or the Canadian energy regulator act, formerly known as the NEB Act. There has been no justification put forward, no justification at all. There's no public policy reason that springs to mind. It doesn't make any sense, so we're suggesting that it be deleted.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Mr. Fast.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Could I have the officials' comment on the rationale for this provision?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Well, she gave the rationale.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Who? The officials didn't.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

No, but Ms. May did. It's her amendment.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Yes, but she suggested that there's really no rationale for having this provision in here. I want to hear what it is.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Can the officials give us the rationale for the proposed subsection?

12:15 p.m.

Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency

Brent Parker

Okay. I can't speak to the rationale behind—

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Not the amendment.

12:15 p.m.

Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency

Brent Parker

No, but even to that particular proposed subsection, other than to say that the way it's structured now would not permit a joint review with another jurisdiction where the life-cycle regulators—the CNSC or the NEB—are involved, but I do see that this amendment and other ones that follow from the Liberals as well would allow the joint review of those types of projects with other jurisdictions.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Okay.