Evidence of meeting #145 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chair  Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)
Ed Fast  Abbotsford, CPC
Julie Dzerowicz  Davenport, Lib.
Mark Warawa  Langley—Aldergrove, CPC
Carol Najm  Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Services and Financial Branch, Department of the Environment
Alan Kerr  Vice-President, Corporate Services, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Michael Nadler  Acting Chief Executive Officer, Parks Canada Agency
Christine Loth-Bown  Vice-President, Policy Development Sector, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Matt Jones  Assistant Deputy Minister, Pan-Canadian Framework Implementation Office, Department of the Environment
Sylvain Michaud  Chief Financial Officer, Parks Canada Agency
John Moffet  Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment
Joe Peschisolido  Steveston—Richmond East, Lib.

3:50 p.m.

The Chair Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

Good afternoon, everyone.

I'd first like to welcome Madame Trudel and Ms. Block to our committee.

We have our departmental officials here today. Welcome back. I think we've seen all of you, not in the recent days, but probably weeks.

3:50 p.m.

Ed Fast Abbotsford, CPC

Mr. Chair—

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Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

The Chair

Yes, Mr. Fast. May I make my opening comments first, and then—?

3:50 p.m.

Abbotsford, CPC

Ed Fast

No. I think it will probably flow more smoothly—

3:50 p.m.

Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

The Chair

Is it a point of order?

3:50 p.m.

Abbotsford, CPC

Ed Fast

Yes, it is. It's a point of order I want to raise.

Colleagues and Mr. Chair, at the justice committee meeting on February 13, Randy Boissonnault, one of the Liberal members of that committee, stated the following:

I think...that, at best, committees of the House of Commons are political theatre that can occasionally achieve good studies.

That statement is in direct contrast to what both the Prime Minister and Government House Leader have said. In fact, the Prime Minister said on February 20:

...we have tremendous confidence in the processes that are in place to move forward—

3:50 p.m.

Julie Dzerowicz Davenport, Lib.

On a point of order, what's the relevance of this?

3:50 p.m.

Abbotsford, CPC

Ed Fast

I have the floor. I raised a point of order; I have the floor.

3:50 p.m.

Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

The Chair

Mr. Fast has the floor.

3:50 p.m.

Abbotsford, CPC

Ed Fast

This will not take long.

I'll repeat the quotation from the Prime Minister.

...we have tremendous confidence in the processes that are in place to move forward, including an investigation by the justice committee in which committee members are independent in their decisions on how to proceed.

We also have tremendous confidence in the officers....

Those are the Prime Minister's comments on February 20.

Mr. Boissonnault's comment also stands in direct contrast to what the government House leader said on February 25. I quote—

3:50 p.m.

Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

The Chair

What is the point of order that you're raising here?

3:50 p.m.

Abbotsford, CPC

Ed Fast

The point of order is that my privileges as a member of this committee have been negatively impacted by the fact that we have members of other committees claiming that the work we do here is at best to achieve good studies, but in fact is political theatre.

If I may continue, Mr. Chair, I'm almost at the end of my point. There's also a motion that I want to put on the table—a notice of motion.

3:50 p.m.

Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

3:50 p.m.

Abbotsford, CPC

Ed Fast

This is the government House leader's comment on February 25:

Mr. Speaker, as we said, we respect the work of the committees. We have confidence in the work of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights and all the other committees. We will allow them to do their work because we respect their work.

My question for you, Mr. Chair, is this. Does this committee and its members agree with Mr. Boissonnault's statement on the value of parliamentary committees, or do we agree with the Prime Minister and the House leader that committees are valuable tools in the parliamentary process?

The motion I am going to put on notice—

3:55 p.m.

Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

3:55 p.m.

Abbotsford, CPC

Ed Fast

—is the following, for debate at another committee meeting:

That the Committee condemn the statement by the Member for Edmonton Centre and reaffirm the importance of the Parliamentary process and the role that committees play in Canada's system of government.

That is the motion that I place on the table.

3:55 p.m.

Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

The Chair

Thank you for that intervention..

As I was saying, today we're here on the subject matter of supplementary estimates (B) 2018-19 and interim estimates 2019-20.

We're a bit late getting started because of the votes that we just had, but the intention is to have the three departments and agencies present provide opening statements, and then we'll go into our regular round of questions.

My suggestion is that we'll stay with the witnesses for an hour; that was, I think, the desire. The witnesses have made themselves available for us on very short notice, and we truly appreciate it. Then at the end of that period we'll move into the second part of the meeting, which will be in camera, going into the forestry, ag and waste study report.

That's the plan for the meeting and the remainder of the time that we have today.

3:55 p.m.

Mark Warawa Langley—Aldergrove, CPC

I have a point of order.

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Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

The Chair

What's your point of order, Mr. Warawa?

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Langley—Aldergrove, CPC

Mark Warawa

The point of order is that this meeting that we're having right now with the witnesses who are before us—and I appreciate their being here—came from a desire that we have the minister invited here to deal with supplementary estimates—

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Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

The Chair

And the point of order...?

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Langley—Aldergrove, CPC

Mark Warawa

Are you interrupting me?

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Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

The Chair

I'm asking you to get the point of order, because I've introduced the witnesses and what we're going to be achieving—

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Langley—Aldergrove, CPC

Mark Warawa

With respect, Mr. Chair, I have the floor.

3:55 p.m.

Mr. John Aldag (Cloverdale—Langley City, Lib.)

The Chair

What's the point of order, please?