Evidence of meeting #46 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Jenkin  Co-Chair, Consumer Measures Committee, Department of Industry
David Clarke  Co-Chair, Identity Theft Working Group, Consumer Measures Committee, Department of Industry
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas
Nancy Holmes  Committee Researcher

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

No.

Just on the point of common sense, although I suppose common sense is debatable, suppose each member of this committee submitted a motion and there were eleven motions as item two, and we had item one. It can't be common sense that we have to deal with all of those items in a two-hour period.

Anyway, if you'd like to make that motion, go ahead.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Mr. Chairman, with all due respect for our guests, I would like to move a motion. I move that we change the agenda and deal with the motions immediately. Once again, I apologize to our guests but, since I don't have a choice, I am going to do this now.

That is my motion, Mr. Chairman.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

The motion is that the committee move to other business.

Mr. Wallace.

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair--

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

We can debate it.

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

--I just want to know what happens to the witnesses.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

If what?

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

If her motion passes. Are they done for the day?

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

We thank them very much and we excuse them--or we ask them to wait just in case it doesn't take us particularly long to deal with item two. That's also a possible option. I hate to bring witnesses here, have them prepped and ready to go, and then not make use of their expertise.

However, there's no discussion; I've answered the question. This is a motion and I'm going to call the vote.

I want a roll call vote.

(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

The motion passes. We move to other business.

I'm going to ask the witnesses just to wait for a few minutes. We'll see how things go. We may be able to get through this. If it appears to me that it's going to drag on, then I'll excuse you.

I do apologize. These things happen. They're no reflection on you or your evidence, of course. So just grab a coffee, relax, whatever the case may be.

Mr. Martin.

9:30 a.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

On a point of order, Mr. Chairman, I have a question about the order of the next item of business. I understand—at least from my experience in previous committees—that notices of motion are dealt with in the order in which they are received.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

I believe that's true.

9:30 a.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

I understood that Ms. Lavallée's motion was in first and that Mr. Wallace's was only submitted on May 8, I believe.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

My understanding is that Madame Lavallée withdrew her first motion. Mr. Wallace submitted a motion subsequent to that, and Madame Lavallée submitted a redrafted version of her motion. That's how I understand it.

9:30 a.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

I see. Thank you.

That was my only point.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

I think your statement, however, is correct. We deal with them in the order they're received, assuming the movers want to move them.

Madame Lavallée, you have a point of order.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Mr. Chairman, you are absolutely right. I changed my motion because the members opposite believed—incorrectly, of course—that it was not in order because it presented the rationale. So, I changed it to be certain that no one would think that.

That said, I would like to move that the order for dealing with the motions be reversed. That would mean we would vote on my motion before Mr. Wallace's.

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

No. How can that be? Is that legal?

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

So you're proposing that we deal with your motion before we deal with Mr. Wallace's motion?

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Exactly. I want to change the agenda. In order to do that, we will have to put this to a vote, as we just did.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

That motion has been moved. It's in order, I presume. So we'll have the same vote, I guess. Call it out.

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Is that debatable at all?

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

It's debatable, if you wish to—

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Yes, I'd like to debate that.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Mr. Wallace.