Evidence of meeting #46 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Jenkin  Co-Chair, Consumer Measures Committee, Department of Industry
David Clarke  Co-Chair, Identity Theft Working Group, Consumer Measures Committee, Department of Industry
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas
Nancy Holmes  Committee Researcher

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Carry on.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Chairman, I want to congratulate Mr. Wallace on giving an excellent summary of the issues that are before us. He's covered many of them.

I believe the committee should have some time to digest what he has to say, and I would therefore move an adjournment.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

It's been moved by Mr. Tilson that the committee do now adjourn. There is no debate.

(Motion negatived)

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

We'll now go to Monsieur Vincent.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Sorry, but I still have the floor, Mr. Chairman.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

You made a motion. It was defeated.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

No, I still have the floor.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

All right. Go ahead.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Yes.

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

No, no. Under what Standing Order are you giving him the floor? He moved a motion and it was defeated. That's it now.

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

Robert Vincent Bloc Shefford, QC

He has had his speaking time.

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Yes, he has had his speaking time. That's it now.

1:45 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

That's right. He chose to make a motion rather than a speech. His turn is over.

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Just a moment; the Clerk will—

1:45 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

That's the end of what you get to say. You moved adjournment.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Do you have any comments or advice for the committee, Mr. Clerk, on this issue?

1:45 p.m.

The Clerk

You gave the floor to Mr. Tilson. He moved a motion, which was defeated. We're still now in debate.

1:45 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

But he doesn't have the floor. That's the last thing you do when you move a motion. At the end of your remarks, you move something.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Mr. Martin, we're not going to debate with the clerk. I've just asked the clerk to provide us with information.

It was my understanding that Mr. Tilson could continue with his remarks notwithstanding the motion. If that is incorrect--I stand to be corrected--I've got no problem with that. That's why I've gone to the clerk for his impartial advice as to whether or not I recognized Mr. Tilson correctly.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

A point of order, Mr. Chairman. If we need to, we'll challenge the chair. I've never seen this before.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Oh, then stick around here. It happens all the time.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

In other committees, when the mover asks for closure on debate and he loses, it goes to the next person. That's parliamentary tradition.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

First of all, Mr. Pacetti, thank you.

Secondly, today I've been challenged, I believe, three times, sustained twice, and overruled once, which is why we're here. So it does happen in this committee.

I'm going to rule, based on the advice I have, that I can and should recognize Mr. Tilson and allow him to continue his remarks.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Can we challenge your ruling?