Evidence of meeting #13 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was mulroney.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Norman Spector  As an Individual
Allan Rock  As an Individual

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you very much.

Madame Lavallée, s'il vous plaît.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

I will be sharing my time with Mr. Ménard.

Would you say that handling cash is a common practice at 24 Sussex Drive?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

I don't know.

All I know is what I read in the newspapers.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Was it an organized system?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

I have no information about that.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

With regards to GCI and Fred Doucet, who was a lobbyist at the time you were the chief of staff—

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

He had his own firm.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

He had his own firm, but he was closely tied to—

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

His brother, and others.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

He had ties to the other members of GCI. Did you see any other individuals who had such easy access to Prime Minister Mulroney as Mr. Doucet had, or was he the chief lobbyist?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

During my time, no one had access to the Prime Minister's Office the way he did.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Did you recognize any of the people that he brought in and who did not look like boy scouts?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

In your opinion, is the $300,000 or the $225,000 that Mr. Mulroney got from Mr. Schreiber after 1993 connected to the Airbus matter?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

I don't know.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

I'm going to ask you a very specific question. On what account were the cheques you received drawn?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

From the PC Canada Fund.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

In her book, Stevie Cameron explains that a secret fund had been set up by Guy Charbonneau, a former senator, to meet Brian Mulroney's needs. She even mentions the financial institution and the account number: Montreal Trust, account no. 830.

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

You will see in these documents information related to your question. I do not think it matches Ms. Cameron's version, but you will see that for yourself.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

I will now turn the floor over to Mr. Ménard.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Spector, you wrote the following in Le Devoir: "I also hope to help the committee understand the motivation and behaviour of my former boss by referring to some other matters”.

Can you refer to these other matters for us?

4:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

I always had the impression that Mr. Mulroney had one eye on his life after politics and that he was courting people who had power and money.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

What do you mean by "courting"?

4:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Norman Spector

I am talking about special treatment. I will give you two examples. The first is related to the National Post's decision to kill the story. Mr. Mulroney named Conrad Black, someone from outside government, to the Privy Council. The Asper family was very grateful for Mr. Mulroney's intervention in the Milgaard case. It was quite extraordinary that the Prime Minister of Canada would get involved in an issue like the David Milgaard case.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

That is not going to convince us that he was receiving a lot of money.

Initially, you agreed, Mr. Spector, to transport money that would cover personal expenses, and so on.