Evidence of meeting #48 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was campaign.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Campbell  As an Individual
Andrew Kumpf  As an Individual
Marilyn Dixon  As an Individual
Cynthia Downey  As an Individual
Steve Halicki  As an Individual
Darren Roberts  As an Individual

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

As you know, and as I explained to the committee right at the beginning of the hearings, when Mr. Mayrand first appeared, the committee had instructed me to have him come. He had indicated some concern, basically, about the sub judice convention in that there are ongoing proceedings and this may put him in a position in which he may prejudice or compromise an ongoing investigation or court proceeding.

The chair took a decision to provide him with the assurance that a condition of his appearing would be that he could invoke the sub judice convention, which he did on the second day when it became apparent that, as he put it, in my recollection, the questions he was being asked were in fact the identical questions asked in the court proceedings. His concern was that he would have to answer the questions identically, because they were made there under oath.

Such as it may be, the condition of Mr. Mayrand appearing is that the sub judice convention can be invoked. But he will have to advise us of that and give us the reason, as Mr. Walsh indicated in his letter.

As to the second part, Mr. Tilson, you asked why he is appearing again. I felt that since there were going to be substantial witnesses subsequent to his appearance who may have brought new information to the attention of members and so on, that may have led to further questions the members want to ask him.

He has indicated that he has nothing further to say to the committee. He will be here, and nothing will be said unless members have questions for him that they feel should be answered. It's just an accommodation, because we had him at the beginning and had a whole bunch of other people. If there's anything to be asked, you will have that.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Chairman, just give me one more moment.

I understand what you've said, and you've said it before. A whole bunch of witnesses haven't shown. Perhaps they're not available. The allegation is that they've been told not to show. We don't know that yet. We don't know anything at this point. We're not even so sure how many have been summonsed with affidavits of service, and in due course you will provide that information to us. But it may be that to cooperate with Canadian citizens who are available to come to these proceedings, we have an obligation to oblige them as best we can; and it may be that we should enable further time for them to come, in which case the appearance of Mr. Mayrand, I would submit to you, is premature.

If you're saying that we have heard all the testimony that we're going to hear for these hearings, maybe it's appropriate that Mr. Mayrand comes back. But if we haven't, I honestly believe Mr. Mayrand should wait until we have heard that testimony. Therefore, my assumption is that by your inviting Mr. Mayrand to come tomorrow, you have concluded that we've heard all the testimony that we need here with respect to this hearing.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

No. Actually, let me respond.

I think the committee has agreed to adjourn. Let me just indicate that I didn't make the assumption that we had heard all the witnesses we want to hear. That's a decision to be made by the committee, obviously. But he will be here. He has contacted me, and if the members have no questions for him at this point, it'll be a very short meeting tomorrow.

I understand that the committee is now prepared to adjourn. Is that right?

4:15 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

We are adjourned.