Evidence of meeting #48 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was campaign.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Campbell  As an Individual
Andrew Kumpf  As an Individual
Marilyn Dixon  As an Individual
Cynthia Downey  As an Individual
Steve Halicki  As an Individual
Darren Roberts  As an Individual

11:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Andrew Kumpf

As we have an ongoing business relationship, I speak occasionally with people at the Conservative Party.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

I can understand that, but was that about your appearing here today or what you're going to testify to?

11:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Andrew Kumpf

When your first round of deliberations was over about a month ago, in the course of business conversation, Patrick Muttart mentioned we were likely to be called as witnesses. There was nothing stated that was either giving or seeking advice.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Thank you.

Mrs. Dixon, I want to have something clear in my head. My understanding from your testimony is that there were two types of invoicing: one for all of Canada, excluding Quebec; and for the Quebec candidates, there were individual invoices with the name of the riding and their individual names on the invoices. Right?

11:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Marilyn Dixon

There were actually four types. We had two clients, two types of Conservative Party; one was Quebec, and one was non-Quebec. We had official agents; one was Quebec, and one was non-Quebec. So there were four types.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

You say that the only ones that were detailed were for Quebec, right?

11:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Marilyn Dixon

On the official agent client, correct.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Official agent?

11:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Marilyn Dixon

We have two clients, the Conservative Party and the official agents.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Okay, I understand what you mean. How come, then, there were invoices supplied to Elections Canada--individual invoices--for other ridings outside of Quebec? The example I have in front of me, by coincidence, is one that states “Trinity—Spadina, $46,728.86, plus tax, for a total of $49,999.88”.

Where does this come from? You're not lying to me, now?

11:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Marilyn Dixon

I'm not lying to you.

What had happened is that our clerk had prepared individual invoices for all the candidates outside of the Quebec area. We sent a sample of the summary invoice to Susan Kehoe, and she said that was fine for the non-Quebec candidates. When Elections Canada came to us and asked us to provide some information, I provided the backup that we had not given to Susan Kehoe in that information. We had prepared it, but we had never provided it to the—

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Am I to understand, then, Ms. Dixon, that this invoice that states “Trinity—Spadina” was actually prepared by your company?

11:15 a.m.

As an Individual

Marilyn Dixon

It was prepared, but never provided to the official agents.

11:15 a.m.

As an Individual

David Campbell

Can we actually see that invoice? Would you mind?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Sure, there are all kinds of them.

11:15 a.m.

As an Individual

David Campbell

It's just to make sure that we have the proper documents.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

My time is stopped, I presume.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Yes. You have a little less than a minute; we'll wait until they acknowledge that they've had an opportunity to review it to ensure that they understand what it is.

11:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Marilyn Dixon

If you look at the summary invoice, the amount for Trinity—Spadina is just repeated on there, the $46,000.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

My question is, did the one that is strictly about Trinity—Spadina come from your company or not?

11:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Marilyn Dixon

It was produced at our company, but never provided to the official agents. We provided only the summary one.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

How did it get into Elections Canada's hands, then?

11:20 a.m.

As an Individual

Marilyn Dixon

I put all our documents together and provided this to Elections Canada, and it was in error, because the official agents never, ever received it.

August 13th, 2008 / 11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Was it produced as we see it?

11:20 a.m.

As an Individual