Evidence of meeting #48 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was campaign.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Campbell  As an Individual
Andrew Kumpf  As an Individual
Marilyn Dixon  As an Individual
Cynthia Downey  As an Individual
Steve Halicki  As an Individual
Darren Roberts  As an Individual

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Arthur Hamilton.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Andrew Kumpf

Arthur Hamilton. No.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

You said he was the lawyer who participated in the conference call.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Andrew Kumpf

No. It was Paul Lepsoe.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

David Campbell

Paul Lepsoe was the previous counsel for the Conservative Party, and he is the one we would have had conversations with.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

At what point did you quote Arthur Hamilton?

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

The time has expired; we're at five and half minutes already. I'll let the witness respond if they have an answer to that brief question.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Andrew Kumpf

Ma'am, I don't believe I ever did refer to Hamilton.

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

David Campbell

I might add, as well, that I just met him this morning before the hearings, and that was the first time I've talked with him.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Ah, right. I misunderstood, I apologize.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Merci, madame.

Mr. Martin, please.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

I have no further questions.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you.

Finally, Mr. Proulx.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Ten minutes again? Thank you.

Very quickly, Madame Lavallée brought up the question a little while ago about an e-mail of December 6 from Mr. Kumpf to Mr. Miele. It says: “Perry, I've had a chance to discuss the issue with David and Ray.”

David who? Ray who?

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Andrew Kumpf

That would be Ray Hersh.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Fine, and then in response to this e-mail, where you had asked permission to contact the broadcast arbitrator, the answer came back and said: “Hold tight until I ask Mike in Ottawa, we may not want anyone talking to them.”

Who is Mike?

12:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Andrew Kumpf

I perceive that to be Mike Donison.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Thank you.

We were talking about tag lines a little while ago. If you allow me, I will ask you these questions in French, because I'm a little bit more comfortable.

Initially, you said you had decided how the advertising would be placed. I will use an example that I relate to because I know the area well. It is an invoice for $36,359 made out to the Hull—Aylmer riding association, where Gilles Poirier was the candidate. There is a registered provincial tax number or a federal tax number, 1020111221TQ0001. Whom does that number belong to? Is it your company's number with Revenu Québec, the Conservative Party's number, or the tax number of the candidate or his official agent?

12:35 p.m.

As an Individual

David Campbell

Can we actually see the document you're referring to?

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Yes, it's an invoice from the riding of Hull—Aylmer. While she's showing you this...you're talking of tag lines and you're talking of areas where you've decided to show some ads. How did you arrive at choosing, for example, for a riding like Hull—Aylmer? I suppose you have connections and you looked at potential broadcasters.

12:35 p.m.

As an Individual

Andrew Kumpf

How did we decide on that riding being included?

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Not on being included; how did you decide on where you were going to advertise for that riding with its tag line?

12:35 p.m.

As an Individual

Andrew Kumpf

As I said, when the potential ridings were given to me, I went to BBM reach books, which is Bureau of Broadcast Measurement, and from there was able to look up—they're based on census districts and counties—and match those versus the electoral maps to see what the whole viewing was.

August 13th, 2008 / 12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

I am going to stop you because I am going to run out of time. I would suggest that you correct your source of information, because you did the advertising for the riding of Hull—Aylmer using a tag line in Quebec City. Now, Hull—Aylmer doesn't receive Quebec City stations.

I have one final question.

12:35 p.m.

As an Individual

David Campbell

May I add to that, please? Again, we want to be clear. We do not produce the creative. We didn't produce the tag lines.