Evidence of meeting #48 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was campaign.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Campbell  As an Individual
Andrew Kumpf  As an Individual
Marilyn Dixon  As an Individual
Cynthia Downey  As an Individual
Steve Halicki  As an Individual
Darren Roberts  As an Individual

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

On the surface, it sounds to be the same thing.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

The same thing—wow!

Now, Ms. Redman brought up the riding of York South—Weston. Is that Judy Sgro's riding? Is she the representative in that one?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

No, she is in York West.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Oh, who is in York South—Weston?

August 13th, 2008 / 2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

I was the candidate for York South—Weston.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

No, who is the member of Parliament for that riding?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

Alan Tonks is the current member.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Mr. Tonks, in the 2004 election.... She mentioned 2004 and said you were only able to spend however much money in 2004; it wasn't a great deal of money. But if we go back, because we want to bring up history and use that as a point of reference, the Conservative Party was a pretty young party then, in 2004, wasn't it?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

Yes, it was very young.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

You didn't have a lot of time to raise money, did you?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

That's correct.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

You didn't have the past experience to have drawn on a 60% rebate for expenses in 2004, did you?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

That is correct, yes.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

That's correct.

So the candidate for the Liberal Party who held that riding in 2004 had a pretty substantial advantage over the Conservative candidate in that riding of York South—Weston, didn't he?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

That is correct.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

And he had that advantage again in 2006, didn't he, because the way the system worked, if they spent more money in 2004, they had more money to go to an election in 2006, didn't they?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

Yes, that's correct.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

That's correct.

So when the national party came to you and said, we would like to send you some assistance so that you can purchase advertising, which we will negotiate for you to promote your campaign, you got a value from that, didn't you?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

Yes, I did.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Absolutely.

And you followed every rule as outlined by Elections Canada, didn't you?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Steve Halicki

We absolutely followed all the rules. We double-checked, triple-checked, and made sure that we crossed all the ts and dotted all the is.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

I agree with you. I've reviewed it. I looked at the documentation brought forward by Retail Media this morning. In fact, I went over it with them, and they confirmed, as Mr. Lemieux said, that appropriate tag lines were used on all advertising. So we know that according to Jean-Pierre Kingsley, the Chief Electoral Officer at the time, they followed all the rules as established in 1997 and all the actions followed by the parties of every single member of the jury—their party. That's how they operate; we've outlined that. We've given examples of every single party and how they operated.

Now, with York South—Weston, it's interesting—that's the example they gave us today, and we looked at this receipt, and the folks from Retail Media said it's identical—that the substance of this is identical. That is the amount that York South—Weston authorized them to spend on their advertising. And you received that media, didn't you?

2:55 p.m.

As an Individual

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

Thank you.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

We will move then to Mr. Nadeau, s'il vous plaît. Vous avez la parole.