Evidence of meeting #6 for Finance in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was competition.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Andy Charles  President and CEO, AIG United Guaranty Canada
Jim Murphy  Senior Director, Government Relations and Communications, Canadian Institute of Mortgage Brokers and Lenders
Peter Vukanovich  President and CEO, Genworth Financial Canada
Mark Tonnesen  President, CEO, Triad Guaranty Insurance Corporation
Noël Roy  chef de produit, financement hypothécaire, Direction du développement de l'offre, Fédération des caisses Desjardins
Karen Kinsley  President, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
John Kenward  Chief Operating Officer, Canadian Home Builders' Association
Dale Ripplinger  Director - Chair, Federal Affairs Committee, Canadian Real Estate Association
David Liu  Vice-President, International Markets, PMI Group, Inc.
Catherine Adams  Vice-President, Home Equity Financing, RBC Royal Bank, RBC Financial Group

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

And will they carry the savings along to the consumers?

4:30 p.m.

President and CEO, AIG United Guaranty Canada

Andy Charles

Yes, by virtue of creating a market advantage. Currently I'm not a lender, but to create a market advantage in the market--

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Consumers are not sophisticated. Are they going to shop around for the insurance?

4:30 p.m.

President and CEO, AIG United Guaranty Canada

Andy Charles

From the perspective of how it works, some lenders control the decisions centrally, sir; for other lenders, it's decentralized. It could be a branch manager, it could be a mortgage specialist, or it could be a mortgage broker. Whoever puts out the product that makes sense for that particular clientele is where the value proposition would be.

If I may, an earlier question came up about the value of additional competition. If we go back in history, at one time CMHC would have had 100% of the market; by virtue of competition, Genworth is now at 30%.

Speaking for AIG United Guaranty, it's our belief that new players will need to work hard and will need to be innovative, but at the end of the day we expect to be successful.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Thank you, Mr. Charles.

Mr. Roy, are you here as a lender or an insurer? Do you support this as a lender or as an insurer?

4:30 p.m.

chef de produit, financement hypothécaire, Direction du développement de l'offre, Fédération des caisses Desjardins

Noël Roy

We support this as a lender.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Do you have a branch or a division that ensures mortgages?

4:30 p.m.

chef de produit, financement hypothécaire, Direction du développement de l'offre, Fédération des caisses Desjardins

Noël Roy

No. Desjardins does not ensure mortgages. We provide general fire insurance.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Not mortgage insurance.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Thank you very much to our witnesses.

We'll take a minute for the second panel members to come forward now. We invite you to come forward to continue your testimony.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. There are more questions on this side of the table. Are we going to get an opportunity to ask them?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Mr. Turner, you will. All the people who have registered here today are also planning to testify before the committee later this week in regard to the budget's implementation bill, so you'll get another chance at that point as well.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

Is that confirmed with all the witnesses?

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Yes, I believe so. Five of the witnesses who just testified are also going to be available to answer questions on this or other topics on Wednesday. That is five from the two panels today, so five of--

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

Which ones are and which ones aren't?

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

We'll hand out the list of those who have registered.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

But if they're not coming back, I'd like to extend this session to those witnesses who are not going to appear again, if there are more questions.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

That's not going to happen.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

What do you mean, it's not going to happen?

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

We invited these witnesses to come forward at this point, and now—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

Surely the committee is the master of its own destiny, though.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Yes. The committee gave clearance as to how this panel would be conducted, and it's being conducted that way. So unless we would like to add some other—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

If we have more questions of these witnesses.... I don't know which witnesses are coming back and which are not.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

In response to your earlier comments, sir, we're handing out a list of those who have registered. We'll just hand out the list of who is coming back. Five of the ten who are testifying today are also here on Wednesday.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

Right, but can I wait until I see this list?