Evidence of meeting #52 for Finance in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was care.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Catherine Kloepfer  Senior Vice-President of Corporate Services and Chief Financial Officer, Winnipeg Airports Authority Inc.
Doug Dobrowolski  President, Association of Manitoba Municipalities
David Barnard  President and Vice-Chancellor, University of Manitoba
Donald Benham  Senior Associate, Social Planning Council of Winnipeg
Kaaren Neufeld  President, Canadian Nurses Association
Arnold Naimark  Chairman of the Board, University of Manitoba, Faculty of Medicine, Director of the Centre for the Advancement of Medicine, Genome Prairie
William Crawford  President, Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Michele Henderson  President, Manitoba Child Care Association
David Bell  Mayor, City of Selkirk
Lori Van Rooijen  Vice-President, Advancement, Athabasca University
Alana Makinson  Women's Commissioner, University of Manitoba Student's Union, Canadian Federation of Students (Manitoba)
David Jacks  Resource Coordinator, Canadian Federation of Students (Manitoba)
Denise Henning  President and Vice-Chancellor, University College of the North
Pat Wege  Executive Director, Manitoba Child Care Association
Chris Luellman  Chief Administrative Officer, City of Selkirk

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President, Association of Manitoba Municipalities

Doug Dobrowolski

Yes, and FCM got that in as well.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

You understand that some of those other programs we have allow us to leverage one-third from the province. That would not happen under the gas tax. You understand that.

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President, Association of Manitoba Municipalities

Doug Dobrowolski

Yes, but if I may answer, that was my response in my presentation. We weren't at the table, yet we're a one-third funding partner of the Building Canada fund. We didn't, as municipalities in Manitoba, have a seat at the table. So we were a little upset about that.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Okay, I appreciate that.

I have a question for the University of Manitoba on the 40% of overhead you want covered. You're not the first, obviously. It's a theme.

Do you want that over time? Do you want that immediately? If there were going to be a change, would you expect it to be happening overnight, or would you have it happen over a timeframe?

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President and Vice-Chancellor, University of Manitoba

Dr. David Barnard

The recommendation in our written submission says specifically that we should set a goal to reach a minimum indirect level of 40% of direct costs.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Yes, but it doesn't say when or how long. Is that a 10-year plan?

October 20th, 2009 / 9:45 a.m.

President and Vice-Chancellor, University of Manitoba

Dr. David Barnard

Well, 10 years is long, but we're not expecting to see it in one year.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Okay. I have one other question for you, because I'm a University of Guelph graduate.

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President and Vice-Chancellor, University of Manitoba

Dr. David Barnard

That's all right.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

You have a specific issue in terms of grain. Is the University of Winnipeg an agricultural school? Does it have a big agricultural department, or is that a science degree?

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President and Vice-Chancellor, University of Manitoba

Dr. David Barnard

The University of Winnipeg isn't, but the University of Manitoba is.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Oh, I'm sorry, it is the University of Manitoba.

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President and Vice-Chancellor, University of Manitoba

Dr. David Barnard

The University of Manitoba does have a large agricultural faculty and a long and venerable track record in agricultural research.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Thanks. I did not know that.

I'm not going to get into an argument; I'm not as super-critical as the folks across the way. But in your presentation you referred to a 360-hour qualifying requirement and a one-year extension of benefits. So if you did qualify, if you did the 360 hours, you would get a year's worth of benefits. Is that correct?

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Senior Associate, Social Planning Council of Winnipeg

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

To the nurses' association....

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An hon. member

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

You guys didn't even vote for the extension recently of EI, so who are you talking with? Give me a break.

Can you be a nurse in Ontario, move to Saskatchewan, and automatically practise nursing? Or do you have to redo another board or sign up to do some more...?

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President, Canadian Nurses Association

Kaaren Neufeld

I have to obtain a licence in Saskatchewan. The nursing practice is regulated at a provincial level, so if I moved from Manitoba to Saskatchewan, I would have to apply to the Saskatchewan Registered Nurses' Association to get a licence to practise in Saskatchewan. We have a unified exam, with the exception of Quebec, so when a nurse first enters the workforce in Canada, with the exception of Quebec, she or he writes the same entrance exam.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

So everyone writes the same entrance exam. And is it onerous to apply for the licence? Does it cost you money?

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President, Canadian Nurses Association

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

It costs you personally, or does the hospital pay? How does it work?

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President, Canadian Nurses Association

Kaaren Neufeld

It's personal.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

As a nursing association, would you like to see that removed?

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President, Canadian Nurses Association

Kaaren Neufeld

We would like to see more coordination in the regulation of nursing practice across the country. But what we'd really like to see is an institute for health human resources, a collaborative institute that would help us to plan for the need nationally.