Evidence of meeting #125 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was brison.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sean Keenan  Senior Program Analyst, Federal-Provincial Relations Division and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Carlos Achadinha  Legislative Chief, Sales Tax Division, Public Sector Bodies, Department of Finance
Gregory Smart  Expert Advisor, GST Legislation, Department of Finance
Patrick Halley  Chief, Tariffs and Market Acess, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance
Annie Hardy  Chief, Financial Institutions Division, Structural Issues, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Tom McGirr  Chief, Equalization and Policy Development, Department of Finance
Nicolas Marion  Chief, Capital Markets and International Affairs, Securities Policies Division, Department of Finance
Paul Halucha  Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry
Alexandra Hiles  Project Lead, Citizenship Modernization, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Karine Paré  Director, Cost Management, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Dennis Duggan  Senior Advisor, Strategic Compensation Management, Treasury Board Secretariat

1:45 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Amendment NDP-33 would change the indexation formula. The way this clause reads today, yes, it increases the moneys that would go to cities through the gas tax, but in hundred million dollar increments. Therefore, without the adoption of our amendment, there would be no increased funds to cities until 2016.

We're proposing that the indexation formula allow increases in thousand dollar increments instead of the proposed hundred million. That would get more money to the cities more quickly than under the Conservative formula. In what we're proposing, it would mean $22 million would go to the cities for next year, $64 million the following year, and then $80 million in 2018. It just accelerates the process by changing the indexation formula.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you, Ms. Nash.

I have a ruling on this amendment.

Bill C-60 provides for a maximum payment of $2 billion with respect to the Office of Infrastructure of Canada or the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development. The amendment seeks to amend the bill so that an additional $40 million can be paid out of the consolidated revenue fund.

House of Commons Procedure and Practice, second edition states, at pages 767 and 768:

Since an amendment may not infringe upon the financial initiative of the Crown, it is inadmissible if it imposes a charge on the public treasury, or if it extends the objects or purposes or relaxes the conditions and qualifications specified in the royal recommendation.

In the opinion of the chair, the amendment proposes a new scheme that seeks to alter the terms and conditions of the royal recommendation, and therefore I rule this amendment inadmissible.

(Clause 233 agreed to)

Colleagues, we now have to deal with two clauses we tabled, clause 7 and clause 36.

You do have an answer from DND. I hope that has addressed all the questions. We'll go to Mr. Brison.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

The question I posed was which missions in the last decade have at any time had a risk score between 1.5 and 2. The response was that since 2006—first, that doesn't encompass a full decade—no missions with a risk score between 1.5 and 1.99 have been prescribed for income tax relief.

That's actually not an answer to the question. The question was which missions in the last decade have at any time had a risk score between 1.5 and 2, and that question remains unanswered. The answer that no missions with a risk score between 1.5 and 1.99 have been prescribed for income tax relief was not the question I asked. It's a very simple question: which missions in the last decade have at any time had a risk score between 1.5 and 2?

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you.

Ms. Glover, to this point.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I might note that we were all distributed answers from DND on this question, and they included, of course, the question that was asked. The question that was asked was not the question Mr. Brison just cited, but in fact, as I read from the document, the question was how many missions with a risk score between 1.50 and 1.99 have been prescribed for income tax relief.

The answer has been given. I might add that missions between 1.50 and 1.99 are very low-risk missions, which frankly has nothing to do with the proposed changes in Bill C-60 anyway. If Mr. Brison has further questions about how DND assigns mission numbers and evaluations and assessments, I'm sure the Liberal Party would welcome him to sit in at their next committee meeting. He can sub in and replace whichever Liberal member typically goes there, but it is completely out of the scope of what Bill C-60 is doing.

I might add that when I talk about low-risk missions, I'm talking about, for example, a joint force mission in Tampa, Florida. We're not talking about high-risk missions such as Afghanistan, etc.

I believe DND has answered the questions put to them. I see very clearly what the responses were. I see very clearly what the questions were. To now change the question and ask for more time, frankly, appears to be a delaying tactic. I would suggest Mr. Brison go to the National Defence committee to seek out further information about how DND evaluates their missions.

Thank you. I'm prepared to vote on this.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you.

Can I go to the vote on amendment Liberal-1, then?

Mr. Brison.

1:50 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

There are two points. First of all, I appreciate Ms. Glover's agreement earlier to tabling the vote on this until we're provided with further information.

Regrettably, I do not feel that the questions posed were answered fully, but it seems we're proceeding with a vote on this. I'll be voting against, but I do appreciate the tabling of it.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Just for clarification on voting, we do have to vote on amendment LIB-1, and then we'll vote on clause 7 and then on clause 36.

1:50 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Brison Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Yes.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 7 agreed to on division)

(Clause 36 agreed to on division)

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Shall the schedule carry?

1:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

On division.

Agreed.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Shall the short title carry?

1:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Shall the title carry?

1:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Shall the bill carry?

1:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Shall the chair report the bill to the House?

1:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

1:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you very much, colleagues. I appreciate that.

The meeting is adjourned.