Evidence of meeting #66 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chinese.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Rob Stewart  Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Paul Chilcott  Chief, Financial Markets Department, Bank of Canada
C.J. Gavsie  Managing Director, Global Head of Foreign Exchange Products and China Capital Markets, BMO Capital Markets
Peter Hall  Vice-President and Chief Economist, Economics, Export Development Canada
MingXuan  William) Zhu (President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China

9:10 a.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Is it enhanced by the U.S. dollar growing stronger?

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Managing Director, Global Head of Foreign Exchange Products and China Capital Markets, BMO Capital Markets

C.J. Gavsie

It certainly is.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Some 3% last year on the one?

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Managing Director, Global Head of Foreign Exchange Products and China Capital Markets, BMO Capital Markets

9:10 a.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I have a question for Mr. Stewart with respect to policy.

I suppose this is a different trading regime of some sort with China. This is a different way for Canadian businesses to do business in China. Is it at all connected to the different trading relationship we have with the Chinese under the new FIPA, or are they completely separate trading policies? Is one connected to the other in any way?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Rob Stewart

I wouldn't quite describe them as being completely separate. Obviously, the foreign investment protection and promotion agreement affords the opportunity for people to invest in China, within the quota that's allowed, with greater protection than they would have had before. But they are not related in the sense that, as policy actions, they're independent. They were independent initiatives.

9:15 a.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

How many global trading centres are there right now?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Rob Stewart

In terms of the renminbi?

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Yes.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Rob Stewart

I think there are five: London, Luxembourg, Singapore, Frankfurt, and Canada.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Did we go asking or did they come asking us? Who's the taker and who's the buyer here?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Rob Stewart

I would have characterized it as a joint interest, in that, I think this idea of clearing has been discussed for some time in the private sector as they've opened up, and as they've offered this centre to other marketplaces. But from an official's point of view, we just picked up on a private sector dialogue, and I would say that the Chinese were very receptive.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Mr. Gavsie, I was just given a letter from my predecessor, as the opposition finance critic back in June 2014, seeking the government to move forward on some conversations and to provide some clarification on how this hub could happen. So, to my Conservative colleagues, we are not always anti-trade.

I have a question about the offshore pool that was discussed. Was it Mr. Chilcott? No I think it was Mr. Stewart.

You were talking about the difference between the onshore and the offshore trading pools. Is that correct?

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Rob Stewart

That's right.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Is Hong Kong considered offshore or onshore?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Rob Stewart

Good question. I think it's both.

Maybe Mr. Gavsie—

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Maybe Mr. Zhu could help us out.

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Managing Director, Global Head of Foreign Exchange Products and China Capital Markets, BMO Capital Markets

C.J. Gavsie

We would consider it offshore.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

That was the first—

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Managing Director, Global Head of Foreign Exchange Products and China Capital Markets, BMO Capital Markets

C.J. Gavsie

That was the first. Correct.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Since it's gone on, that's where it was tested. Is that correct?

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Managing Director, Global Head of Foreign Exchange Products and China Capital Markets, BMO Capital Markets

C.J. Gavsie

That's correct.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

So that's part of the offshore calculations that you gave us.

I have a question with respect to how this is going to flow between Canadian and Chinese firms.

Mr. Zhu, yours is the largest bank in the world. Is that correct?

9:15 a.m.

MingXuan (William) Zhu

In terms of assets, yes, we are.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Part of our conversation deals with the significant trade deficit that we have with China.

I wonder if Mr. Hall could comment. All of these things have consequences on certain industries, some more positively, some less so, depending on who's trading and doing what.

Do you expect this to have any impact on that trade deficit that has been steady and large with China for the last number of years?