Evidence of meeting #32 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pandemic.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Éric Paquet  Senior Director, Public and Governmental affairs, Alliance de l'industrie touristique du Québec
Victoria Morton  As an Individual
Kevin Ladner  Chief Executive Officer, Grant Thornton LLP
Tara Benham  National Tax Leader, Grant Thornton LLP
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Donna Lee Demarcke  Chief Executive Officer, Northwest Territories Tourism
James Cohen  Executive Director, Transparency International Canada
Jean-Michel Ryan  Chairman of the Board, Alliance de l'industrie touristique du Québec
Judith Coates  Co-Founder, Association of Canadian Independent Travel Advisors
Evan Siddall  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
Dan Clement  President and Chief Executive Officer, United Way Centraide Canada
Pascale St-Onge  President, Fédération nationale des communications et de la culture
Brenda Slater  Co-founder, Association of Canadian Independent Travel Advisors
Julien Laflamme  Coordinator, Research and Women's Services, Confédération des syndicats nationaux, Fédération nationale des communications et de la culture
Nancy Wilson  Co-Founder, Association of Canadian Independent Travel Advisors

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

How would you know that he shaped the latest program? Why are you saying that?

3:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Victoria Morton

I wouldn't have. I make the language as custom-feeling as possible, putting together the pieces—

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

How many people did you say—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mrs. Jansen—

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

—“thank you” to for shaping—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mrs. Jansen, allow Ms. Morton time to respond.

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Okay.

Well, I understand there were 100 messages. I'm wondering, of those messages, how many did you [Technical difficulty—Editor] thank for helping you shape the latest program?

3:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Victoria Morton

I have no idea.

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

So would that have been only for Mr. Chin, that message? It's just odd. How do you know to thank someone for shaping a program when you don't know who they are and you have really no idea what role they would have played? Why would you thank them?

3:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Victoria Morton

Because I put together the puzzle pieces of what they're most likely involved in. They don't necessarily have to be directly the contact or have met Craig. I would just put the puzzle pieces together to the best of my ability.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Okay. So what you're saying is that it was clear he was involved in shaping a program and you wanted to thank him for that on behalf of Craig.

3:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Victoria Morton

That's a leading question. You're putting words in my mouth to build a narrative, so I'm going to backtrack a little bit there. I—

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

You said you put the puzzle pieces together—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mrs. Jansen.

Ms. Morton, go ahead.

3:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Victoria Morton

I put the puzzle pieces together as best I could to create custom communication efforts at a mass level while working part time. Yes.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

What puzzle pieces would you be putting together to craft a message like that? What puzzle pieces would you have used in order to say that he shaped a program?

3:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Victoria Morton

I would probably google them. Then I would look into our internal databases and look up the most recent project that we're probably working on with the most relevant group that they're part of.

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

So that's normal, then, that you would work with someone like Ben Chin to shape a program.

3:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Victoria Morton

Again, that's sort of taking my statement and then really pulling it into your narrative, but I will say that—

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Well, it's just the puzzle pieces that you're putting together. You're saying that would have been the puzzle piece that you would have—

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

We will give Ms. Morton time to respond.

Ms. Morton, go ahead.

3:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Victoria Morton

I apologize. Could you repeat the question?

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Well, I'm just.... What puzzle pieces would you put together? Did you just assume that Ben Chin helped shape a program?

3:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Victoria Morton

So the puzzle pieces would be.... Where does he work? What projects are people across the organization working on right now? Those are two puzzle pieces.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

So Ben would have been helping to shape a program together with you. You would have had direct [Technical difficulty—Editor] back-and-forth, then.