Evidence of meeting #117 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ontario.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Elizabeth Brown  As an Individual
Jennifer Gerdt  As an Individual
Kelly Gorman  As an Individual
Justine Kintanar  As an Individual
Erika Campbell  As an Individual
Insiya Mankani  As an Individual
J.P. Boutros  As an Individual
Joseph Polito  As an Individual
Eve Paré  Executive Director, Association québécoise de l'industrie du disque, du spectacle et de la vidéo
Andrew Cash  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Independent Music Association, Association québécoise de l'industrie du disque, du spectacle et de la vidéo
Ron Butler  Mortgage Broker, Butler Mortgage Inc.
Paul Cheliak  Vice-President, Strategy and Delivery, Canadian Gas Association
Lynne Livingstone  City Manager, City of London
Scott Courtice  Executive Director, London Inter-Community Health Centre, City of London
Alex Ciappara  Vice President and Head Economist, Financial Stability and Banking Policy, Canadian Bankers Association
Corinne Pohlmann  Executive Vice-President, Advocacy, Canadian Federation of Independent Business
Jeff Ferguson  Executive Director, Knowledge Mobilization and Transformation, Inclusion Canada
Krista Jones  Chief Delivery Officer, Ventures and Ecosystems Group, MaRS Discovery District
Reid McKay  Director, Policy Innovation and Fiscal Policy, Toronto Region Board of Trade
Pierre Ouellette  President, Université de l'Ontario français

10:15 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Ms. Paré, last week, the big ADISQ Gala event for all Quebec artists, was held. We had some wonderful performances by notables like Ginette Reno, and a young rapper. It was wonderful. We've been able to build that over the years, thanks in part to the Canada Music Fund and Musicaction.

Can you tell us about the industry you've managed to create?

10:15 a.m.

Executive Director, Association québécoise de l'industrie du disque, du spectacle et de la vidéo

Eve Paré

Well, I'll begin by pointing out that 95% of francophone music is put out by independent companies. It's really a distinctive market that is completely different from anywhere else on the planet.

The industry structure grew over several decades from the early 1980s onward. Musicaction provided support for the industry, making it possible to build a very stable star system in the francophone marketplace. Examples include established artists like Ginette Reno, or emerging artists like the indigenous artist Kanen, who already has two awards to her credit. It's a tool that definitely helped the industry develop into a strong star system.

We've reached a turning point. The current media crisis is obvious, and the music sector is being affected too. More than ever, we need government support to keep our music alive and have it resonate, for our parents and our children.

10:15 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Thank you very much.

As my colleague Ms. Dzerowicz said, it's important to support culture if we want to preserve our identity.

From the financial standpoint, the industry generates money for the government.

10:15 a.m.

Executive Director, Association québécoise de l'industrie du disque, du spectacle et de la vidéo

Eve Paré

Absolutely.

I don't have the economic impact studies in front of me, but this industry is extremely important in the regions. You hear about access to culture in the regions and organizing tours to certain regions where it makes no sense from an economic standpoint. Through these contributions, exports give exposure to our music in other countries. Musicaction supports initiatives and events that showcase our artists abroad.

According to the 2021 annual report, about 500 songwriters and composers received support from Musicaction. So it's not just the companies that benefit, but rather the entire ecosystem.

10:20 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Thank you very much.

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Thank you, Mr. Ste-Marie.

Please feel free to submit to the committee any of those numbers in terms of economic impact. That would be great.

Now we'll go to MP Green.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Thank you.

Ms. Livingstone, as city manager, I'm going to put a series of questions to you rather quickly. I'm going to ask you to answer them as directly as you possibly can.

You heard the assessment around property tax. What is London's proposed property tax increase for next year?

10:20 a.m.

City Manager, City of London

Lynne Livingstone

We do a multi-year budget at the City of London. We're one of the few communities.... We've not yet released it, so I'm not in a position to share it with you.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

In Hamilton they're talking about double digits. Is it safe to say that, coming out of COVID, the downloading of responsibilities from successive provincial and federal governments has led to an untenable property tax position for the City of London?

10:20 a.m.

City Manager, City of London

Lynne Livingstone

I would agree that it has put significant pressures on our tax base. We don't have the tools.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

You spoke a bit about operating funds for housing. I was a former treasurer of city housing for Hamilton, and I would put it to you that, in fact, capital funding is also very important. Could you talk a bit, to the best of your ability, about the deferred maintenance of the City of London's social housing stock?

10:20 a.m.

City Manager, City of London

Lynne Livingstone

It's significant with Middlesex and London community housing. However, in our last multi-year budget, the city council of the day invested significant funds in the deferred maintenance component, and we built it in going forward.

What we also need assistance with, though, is the building of new, highly supportive housing.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

You'll recall that the CMHC in the seventies and eighties—in fact, coming out of World War II—built a tremendous amount of housing stock, and then social housing stock. That was downloaded to the provinces, and provinces then downloaded to municipalities.

Is it safe to say, 30 or 40 years later, that housing stock is also at the end of its capital life cycle?

10:20 a.m.

City Manager, City of London

Lynne Livingstone

Yes, we're seeing that.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Do you have any idea of what that capital deferred investment looks like globally in your budget?

10:20 a.m.

City Manager, City of London

Lynne Livingstone

No, I don't have that for you.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Would you say it's significant?

10:20 a.m.

City Manager, City of London

Lynne Livingstone

Again, I would say we began planning for it in our last multi-year budget, so we're not new to it.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Sure, but you certainly couldn't catch up in four years for maintenance. Is that right?

10:20 a.m.

City Manager, City of London

Lynne Livingstone

Oh, no. There's an infrastructure—

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Have you had to sell off any social housing?

10:20 a.m.

City Manager, City of London

Lynne Livingstone

No, we have not.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Okay. That's good.

Around affordability, particularly, would you agree with the assessment that the average market rate is not a way to predict affordability within the municipality of London?

10:20 a.m.

City Manager, City of London

Lynne Livingstone

I would agree with the answer that was provided earlier.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Would you agree that inclusionary zoning ought to have affordability landmarked against people's ability to pay, and not the average market rent?