Evidence of meeting #28 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was science.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Miriam Burke
Larry Murray  Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Cal Hegge  Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
David Bevan  Assistant Deputy Minister, Fisheries and Aquaculture Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Sue Kirby  Assistant Deputy Minister, Oceans and Habitat, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
George Da Pont  Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Sylvain Paradis  Director General, Ecosystem Science, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

12:30 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Cal Hegge

That is actually to construct a harbour in Conne River. This has gone back and forth. We actually transferred money to Indian Affairs, but the approach has changed. So essentially we are prepared to construct a harbour. Through Public Works, they've picked the winning bidder. There are still a couple of issues to sort out with the first nation. Once those details are attended to, then we hope to start construction actually this fiscal year, if possible.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Bill Matthews Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

So that money is coming to you from Indian and Northern Affairs?

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

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Liberal

Bill Matthews Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

Is it because they're participating in the project with you? My understanding is that you, being the small craft harbours program, have budgeted money over the past two or three years for Conne River.

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

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Liberal

Bill Matthews Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

I know you have. So why the transfer? Is it because they're cost-sharing the program?

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Cal Hegge

No, it's because, as I said, they were originally going to oversee the construction of the harbour. The harbour was actually going to belong to the first nation. I'd have to get—

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Bill Matthews Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

So now they want to go with a harbour sort of thing?

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Cal Hegge

Now they want to go as a DFO harbour, so the money has come back to us for the construction and we will own the harbour. Hopefully, it will be managed through the harbour authority.

12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Bill Matthews Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

I believe you said a tender has been awarded.

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Cal Hegge

That's my understanding, yes.

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Liberal

Bill Matthews Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

Is that all straightened out now and things are ready to go?

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Cal Hegge

I think it's straightened out in terms of who has been awarded the contract, but there are issues in terms of access in one or two other deals.

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Liberal

Bill Matthews Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

So that's still in limbo.

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Cal Hegge

As far as I know, although it could have been resolved by now. But the last time I checked, which was about a week or so ago, they were still working on that.

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Liberal

Bill Matthews Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

Thank you.

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Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Larry Murray

We could provide a more detailed update by phone this afternoon.

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Liberal

Bill Matthews Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

No, that's okay. Thanks.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gerald Keddy

Monsieur Blais, I know you have to finish that last question.

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Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Paradis, I will let you finish your answer. However, I would ask you to provide us with much more detailed information on the research and development conducted in the last few years, as well as the potential budget repercussions of the analysis you are currently undertaking, which is much more over-arching than a silo-by-silo analysis.

I will now give you the time to complete your answer.

12:35 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Sylvain Paradis

We carried out this analysis in order to define the guidelines for the science program. We are also in the process of developing a five-year strategic research program that will allow the department to establish emerging sectors that will be better integrated than the traditional sectors, which are those programs we were talking about.

I will give you an example. We have the National Aquatic Animal Health Program, the invasive species program and one dealing with aquatic biotechnology. All these programs require risk assessments, for example in order to approve the moving of living fish or other measures of that nature. In the past, we had three risk evaluation programs that existed side by side. We are in the process of developing a more integrated approach in order to have a single window through which to request risk assessments before acting.

Overall, the majority of the programs are very stable. For example, the Cooperative Program of Research and Development on Aquaculture was not affected. We have a very stable program with the industry, the provinces and the stakeholders. The Fish Habitat Management Program includes different research sections on oil and gas, for example. We have the program dealing with hydroelectricity.

We reorganized these programs under centres of research expertise, with the objective of allowing for a national integration, which will help us significantly. In the past, each region would have its own hydroelectricity or oil and gas research program. From here on in, we will have centres of expertise that will play a leadership role and will determine the sectoral priorities of the science sector in the area of research.

I do not know if I answered your question well. There remains much to be done at a very macro level in order to better target the sectors and settle the crises that are more—

12:35 p.m.

Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

I understand what you just said, but as I was saying earlier on, I am hoping to receive more details on the manner of proceeding in a letter.

You have stated that the risk assessment is an evaluation grid. The risk assessment is completely different from the precautionary principle, is it not?

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Director General, Ecosystem Science, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Sylvain Paradis

No, not at all.

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Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

Is it the same thing?

12:35 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Sylvain Paradis

The risk assessment is carried out according to the precautionary principle. We must assess the biological risks of certain activities, mainly in the science sector. Let us take the example of the Asian carp, which has entered Canada and which represents a risk for the Canadian ecosystem. We have carried out a comprehensive study on the impact of four species of Asian carp, on its introduction into Canada. Following that, the Ontario government decided to establish regulations to ban the introduction of these species.