Evidence of meeting #55 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chairman.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Serge Savoie  Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee
Aldo Noël  member, Captain, Traditional Crab Boat, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee
François Côté  Committee Researcher
Larry Murray  Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
George Da Pont  Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
David Bevan  Assistant Deputy Minister, Fisheries and Aquaculture Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Alain Corriveau  Acting Director General, Finance and Administration, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Wendy Watson-Wright  Assistant Deputy Minister, Science Sector, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

Haven't you already done it?

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

Serge Savoie

No, we only received it last week.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

You know the bill was tabled in early December.

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

It will come up for debate soon.

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

May 15th, 2007 / 11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

We are to say yes or no in principle. So far, what are your thoughts on Bill C-45?

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

Serge Savoie

There are good and bad points, but I do not want to dwell on that. We want to propose constructive solutions, and that is why we are going to respond to the minister's document as quickly as possible.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

For the allocation you have in area 12, are you proposing that it be exclusive to traditional crabbers?

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

Serge Savoie

It would be exclusive to the traditional crabbers until 2010.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

It's until 2010.

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

Serge Savoie

It's because of the decline of the snow crab.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

What was the response from DFO, when you first asked?

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

Serge Savoie

DFO replied that the plan for the fishery had not determined that. In other words that 15 or 16% of the quota went to inshore fishers. Did it not, sir? They are two crabbers.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

How severe is the decline in snow crab for traditional fishers?

11:30 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

Serge Savoie

We would like to know if the quantity of crab is really decreasing or if the stock is maintaining itself, etc. But we never get any answers. At present, we only know one thing: for 2008, 2009 and 2010, scientists and biologists are saying that quotas should decrease by 20%. If there is a 20% decrease each year, fishers will only be fishing for two days.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

I see. That's all.

11:35 a.m.

Bloc

The Vice-Chair Bloc Raynald Blais

Thank you.

Mr. Asselin.

11:35 a.m.

Bloc

Gérard Asselin Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I understand that it must be very frustrating for crabbers to pay for deckhands to study the biomass and at the end of the day, to not get the results of the studies they have paid for.

I would like to gain a better understanding of a point you made at the start of your presentation. According to the French translation, the people on board would not be paid. I didn't really understand. The English and French version are not the same.

11:35 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

Serge Savoie

Biorex is charging crabbers about $3,300 to put observers on their boats. In the past, the federal government paid a certain percentage of the fees. The Paul Martin government eliminated that funding. Crabbers now pay all of the fees. The current conservative government has changed the legislation, but the wording is unclear. In French, it says that the government will pick up all of the costs, but apparently, it is simply re-establishing the 33% that the previous government had eliminated.

11:35 a.m.

Bloc

Gérard Asselin Bloc Manicouagan, QC

According to the French version, the government would pay for all of the costs, whereas in English, that is not the case.

11:35 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

Serge Savoie

In English—

11:35 a.m.

Bloc

Gérard Asselin Bloc Manicouagan, QC

That should obviously be clarified.

I am the member for Manicouagan, which is the north part of the St. Lawrence. Our crabbers are in area 16, which includes the Moyenne-Côte-Nord and the Basse-Côte-Nord. There are traditional crabbers and ground fishers in the area. The ground fishers are faced with a moratorium. They struggling to make a living. These people want to work honourably and earn their living without having to go on welfare or collect employment insurance.

They have successfully obtained temporary allocations for crab from Fisheries and Oceans for the duration of the moratorium. Of course, that has given rise to some frustration for our traditional crabbers, because they oppose sharing the resource. The part of the resource given to fishers who were not traditional crabbers was approximately 10,000 pounds per year, which penalized the crabbers. Since then, the number of traditional crabbers and market prices have increased. There seems to be some kind of a common organization so that everyone in Moyenne-Côte-Nord and Basse-Côte-Nord can get by.

I would like to know if in your area, principally in area 12, there are traditional crabbers—yes, I am convinced there are—and fishers who have temporary crab licences, as is the case in my area. You said that you did not agree with sharing the resource prior to 2010.

11:35 a.m.

Chair, Acadian Peninsula Traditional Crab Fishermen's Coalition Committee

Serge Savoie

Yes, that is correct.

11:35 a.m.

Bloc

Gérard Asselin Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Do you also have fishers back home who, although they are not traditional crabbers, receive temporary allocations for crab?