Evidence of meeting #31 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michelle d'Auray  Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Cal Hegge  Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources and Corporate Services, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
George Da Pont  Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Michaela Huard  Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy Sector, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Mimi Breton  Assistant Deputy Minister, Oceans and Habitat Sector, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Claire Dansereau  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Barry Rashotte  Associate Director General, Resource Management Branch, Operations, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

This is not an ACOA problem; it's a fisheries problem. It's my understanding that it's getting worse instead of better.

9:25 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Michelle d'Auray

The activities that the industry--

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

Is there enough money involved?

9:25 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

Have you got enough money to do what needs to be done to save this very important industry?

9:25 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Michelle d'Auray

I think the premise and some of the science around this needs to be further developed, because all the tools and activities we have done to date have had an impact, up to a point. Now we have to look at additional and more innovative ways of dealing with this. I think the industry investments we are supporting with ACOA are in fact to help industry purchase and develop tools to cope with this invasive species, which is not easily eradicated.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

We will be back to you, Mr. MacAulay.

Mr. Blais.

9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. I would like to focus on the Coast Guard, in light of recent events.

What have you undertaken to do to deal with this tragedy? I have heard about all kinds of undertakings to date, but I would like to know what you intend to do?

9:25 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Michelle d'Auray

The Commissioner and the Minister have ordered an investigation that will be conducted by an independent investigator. This will be a Coast Guard investigation. We have undertaken to review the incident and all of our procedures and to ask this independent investigator—and independence is important in this case—to determine if our policies and procedures need to be changed.

The Transportation Council, which is a regulatory body, is also conducting an investigation.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

That is not what I wanted to know. I am not asking about the various investigations under way. I and everyone else is aware of these investigations. Certain government representatives made some promises. For example, Minister Lawrence Cannon promised at the church to get to the bottom of what happened. I want to know what you have undertaken to do.

9:30 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Michelle d'Auray

We intend to make public the findings of the investigation now under way. Our investigator has already met with the victims' families and with some of the crew members. Mr. Da Pont will be able to tell you more about that. For obvious reasons, any observations and findings will be shared with the families before they are released to the public. This is what we and the government have undertaken to do.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

Is there something more you would like to say, Mr. Da Pont?

9:30 a.m.

Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

George Da Pont

We are committed to doing the same thing. We want to find out what happened and why. Once the investigations have been completed, we will make the necessary changes.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

The first thing the committee asked to see was the Safety and Security Manual. Right before the start of the meeting, I advised Mr. Da Pont that someone had removed several pages from one of the chapters of the Safety and Security Manual. The chapter should have 32 pages in all, but there were only 8 pages. A total of 24 pages were missing.

At this time, I would like you to promise that you will supply us with the missing pages so that we have a complete copy of the manual. Otherwise, we are not off to a very good start, from the standpoint of transparency.

9:30 a.m.

Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

George Da Pont

I completely agree with you, Mr. Chairman. I welcome the opportunity to find out what happened to these pages.

The manual contains several chapters, but the committee was only sent the one on towing. It was a mistake. Of course we can provide you with a complete copy of the manual.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

I'm not saying that entire chapters are missing, only certain pages in one chapter.

9:30 a.m.

Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

George Da Pont

I will look into this and if it's true, than I am certain it is a mistake. Since this is a public document, the Safety and Security Manual is available on our website. If a few pages are missing, it's surely a mistake, one that we will rectify.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

The mistake was intentional because written on the document is the following: “Intentionally omitted”.

From a financial perspective, you note that for the Coast Guard, security is of paramount importance. Let's look at one concrete example, namely the small craft harbours file. Security is of paramount importance, but money must be in short supply because safety problems at ports are increasing.

Are the financial means available to the Coast Guard for search and rescue operations...Sometimes, to save money, people cut corners and make more sacrifices. How does the Coast Guard operate?

9:30 a.m.

Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

George Da Pont

Right now, we have the funding we need to successfully carry out search and rescue operations. As I have stated several times to this committee, our search and rescue operations are among the best in the world. A few weeks ago, we concluded an analysis of search and rescue requirements and several recommendations were made. We are currently discussing these recommendations with our partners, in particular the Coast Guard Auxiliary and DND. If this analysis revealed that we need to improve our operations, then we will certainly take steps to do that.

9:35 a.m.

Bloc

Raynald Blais Bloc Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine, QC

I only have a few seconds left.

I'd like to discuss another matter that also concerns the Coast Guard, namely air cushion vehicles. Two such vehicles were based in Eastern Canada, and one of them recently broke down because of a problem of some kind.

What do you intend to do about this?

9:35 a.m.

Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

George Da Pont

Again, thank you for your question. I am happy to announce that we will be acquiring a new air cushion vehicle. Delivery is slated for this fall.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

Thank you, Mr. Blais.

Mr. Stoffer.

9:35 a.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Thanks, all of you, for appearing today.

My first question for you, Mr. Da Pont--and I'm sure you know this is coming--is on marine service fees.

The last time we spoke, you indicated that a decision or some kind of an answer would be made fairly soon. That was well over a month ago, and I'm just wondering if you can answer the question. Have those fees north of 60 now been eliminated?

9:35 a.m.

Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

George Da Pont

No, the fees north of 60 have not yet been eliminated.

9:35 a.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

May I ask why?