Evidence of meeting #14 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was aquaculture.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Bill Taylor  President, Atlantic Salmon Federation
Jonathan Carr  Director, Research and Environment, Atlantic Salmon Federation
Nell Halse  Vice-President, Communications, Cooke Aquaculture Inc.
J. Terry Drost  Marketing, Four Links Marketing, Gray Aqua Group Ltd.
Alan Craig  Vice-President, Sales, True North Salmon, Cooke Aquaculture Inc.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

I call this meeting to order.

I'd like to take the opportunity to thank two gentlemen for joining us today. We appreciate your taking the time out of your busy schedules to come and have a discussion with our committee. As you've probably been made aware, we're studying closed containment in the aquaculture industry. We look forward to your views and any advice you can offer the committee.

For your information, we generally have some specific timeframes laid out for questions and answers. We try to get as many questions in as we can. If I cut you off or interrupt, I apologize in advance. It's in the spirit of trying to be fair and ensure that all members have a chance to ask their questions and get the answers they're seeking.

Mr. Taylor, I appreciate your coming today. I believe the clerk has probably advised you that there's a timeframe. We try to keep our opening comments to about 10 minutes. Let's turn the floor over to you at this time and let you proceed.

3:35 p.m.

Bill Taylor President, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Thank you, Mr. Chairman and committee members.

I want to thank you all for the opportunity to present here today.

My name is Bill Taylor. I am president and chief executive officer of the Atlantic Salmon Federation. With me is my colleague Jonathan Carr. He's director of research and environment for the Atlantic Salmon Federation.

I`ll give you a bit of background. The Atlantic Salmon Federation is an international salmon conservation organization. We're international in scope in that we work throughout the whole North Atlantic wherever you find wild Atlantic salmon, and our mission is to save, conserve, and restore our wild Atlantic salmon runs throughout the North Atlantic in the ecosystems, rivers, and the ocean marine habitats on which the Atlantic wild salmon depend for survival.

The Atlantic Salmon Federation's international headquarters are in Saint Andrews, New Brunswick. We also have field offices, one in Quebec, one in each of the four Atlantic provinces, and the U.S. headquarters in Brunswick, Maine. We are a not-for-profit, a charity. We have to raise all of our money to support our conservation, education, and research programs on our own. We have no government funding.

The way we are structured, we are truly a federation, an umbrella organization with the Atlantic Salmon Federation at the top. Underneath that umbrella you have our five provincial councils, Quebec and the four Atlantic provinces, and also two in the United States. Underneath those provincial and state councils, there are 120 local river associations, such as the Miramichi Salmon Association, the Margaree Salmon Association, and so on, and throughout that membership there are about 25,000 to 30,000 active volunteers working to further our conservation mission.

What is the state of wild Atlantic salmon runs throughout the North Atlantic? They are in decline and have been for the past three decades or so. Speaking specifically about North America, Canada, since the mid-seventies, wild Atlantic salmon runs have declined from about 1.8 million large salmon and one sea winter salmon or grilse coming back to our rivers, and in Canada there are about 1,100 wild Atlantic salmon rivers, again in Quebec and the four Atlantic provinces. We've seen a decline from the 1.8 million in the mid-seventies to just north of 400,000 in 2001. Since then there has been a modest increase in each of the last few years, and this past year actually things were the best they've been in a while. When I say “best”, what you need to do is take the Miramichi north--so the Miramichi, Cape Breton Island, north of that, and you look at northern New Brunswick, Gaspé, the north shore of Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador--and those areas are all relatively healthy. Everything south of that is in decline and continues to be in decline.

One of the principal threats to wild salmon is aquaculture. That has been well documented. If you also look at where wild salmon runs are in decline, again, it's in the southern Maritimes and in southern Newfoundland. Aquaculture has been pointed out as a principal cause of those salmon declines. And that's not just from the research that we've done. It's well documented by research institutions, universities, and even by our own federal government.

The latest report from the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada, COSEWIC, which is a non-partisan, unbiased forum of university professors, researchers, and federal and provincial governments, has pointed to three areas where aquaculture is in high concentration in the Maritimes. In the inner and outer Bay of Fundy, aquaculture is pointed out as a primary threat to wild salmon runs, and also in southern Newfoundland. Again, when I said that this year was actually a pretty good year for our wild salmon runs, it's certainly no coincidence that in those areas it was not a very good year, and there continue to be problems.

The Atlantic Salmon Federation also conducts its own research on the Magaguadavic River, for example, which is close to the centre of the aquaculture industry in the Bay of Fundy, just up the road from Saint Andrews. The Atlantic Salmon Federation has been conducting research on the impacts of aquaculture on wild salmon in that river for the last 15 or so years. In fact, DFO has made the Magaguadavic River the index river for the study of the impacts of aquaculture on wild stocks across the country.

What we've found in the Magaguadavic River since we began that research, which Jonathan has actually been leading for the last 15 years, is that wild salmon returns to the Magaguadavic in the mid-1980s hovered around 800 to 1,000 fish, year after year after year. Since then it has been in serious decline, to the point where we're now counting them on our fingers and toes--the wild salmon coming back to the rivers.

We also monitor the aquaculture escapees coming into the Magaguadavic River. In every year but one in the last decade, the number of aquaculture escapees has actually outnumbered the wild salmon coming back to the Magaguadavic River.

I want to put all those concerns out there. These concerns are well documented: pollution, sea lice, disease transfer, escapes, interbreeding with wild salmon. There are all kinds of studies on the offspring of a mating between an aquaculture escapee and a wild salmon. The offspring are not as fit for survival. If it's an aquaculture female, she does not lay as many eggs. The eggs are not as viable, so you don't have as many fry. You don't have as many fish going out to sea, and those fish are not as fit for survival.

As to the concentration of aquaculture sites, whether it's Norway, southern Scotland, or our Bay of Fundy, there is a great number of escapees year after year. There are tens of thousands and, in some years, hundreds of thousands of salmon escaping in the Bay of Fundy alone. You get those interbreeding. As serious as the pollution and sea lice problems are, the genetic issues are much more severe and have more dire consequences.

ASF has made it clear time and time again that we're not against aquaculture. The whole concept of raising fish for food makes good sense and takes pressures off wild stocks. In fact, if you look back at our own history, 25 years ago the Atlantic Salmon Federation was waving the flag for aquaculture. We saw it as an opportunity to take pressure off wild stocks and provide a good food product, which was needed. But we did not foresee—and neither did the scientists—the unintended consequences of aquaculture.

Just to be clear, we're not opposed to the concept of aquaculture. We're in favour of sustainable aquaculture. We see land-based aquaculture as providing an opportunity to move in a positive direction.

We are an advocacy group. We are not a group to constantly complain. We are aware of the jobs related to aquaculture and the important jobs for coastal communities. But when we consider that, we should also consider the valuable wild Atlantic salmon and the recreational fishing industry.

Gardner Pinfold Consulting, a reputable national firm here in Canada, has just released a report on the value of wild Atlantic salmon in eastern Canada. The recreational Atlantic salmon fishery alone was worth $130 million last year and supported the equivalent of 3,300 full-time jobs.

If you think about where those jobs are, it's rural northern New Brunswick, Cape Breton Island, Newfoundland and Labrador, Gaspé, and the north shore of Quebec. In those river communities, if people aren't working along the salmon rivers—whether as guides or in the tackle industry or building canoes or in the outfitting and lodging industries—they're probably not working at all. There aren't that many alternatives. That's just the value of wild salmon with the recreational fishery.

There's also the value to first nations, which is substantial. There is value to all Canadians in knowing that our rivers are healthy enough to support wild salmon and wild Atlantic salmon. This is an indicator of the health of our own rivers and marine environments, and the health of our own world.

When Gardner Pinfold Consulting looked at the total value of wild Atlantic salmon--we're just talking about Quebec and the four Atlantic provinces--it was $255 million annually and it supports the equivalent of 3,800 full-time-equivalent jobs.

Mr. Chairman, this is a recent report, and I'd be happy to make it available to the clerk and to you and the committee if you want to receive it after this meeting.

The Atlantic Salmon Federation is also putting its money where its mouth is. It's easy to say that we're for sustainable aquaculture. What are we going to do about it? We have partnered with the Conservation Fund Freshwater Institute, which is a world-renowned environmental conservation organization in the U.S. The Freshwater Institute in West Virginia has a long history of research and technology development in land-based aquaculture. We are raising, with the Conservation Fund, Atlantic salmon in land-based fully enclosed containment systems, and the salmon will be ready for market in just a few months.

We envision this as a long-term project over the next several years. We invited the industry to be a partner with us. Certainly we'd love to have their financial support, but it was made clear that was not necessary. We don't want to be in the aquaculture business. It's to demonstrate that the technology works and can be cost competitive, and to hopefully transfer the technology to the industry so that as the industry continues to grow, hopefully it embraces this land-based closed containment technology so that you eliminate all possibility of escapes of farm salmon into the wild and you eliminate the negative impacts of chemicals, vaccines, pollution, and sea lice, and on and on.

Often we're talking about the increased costs. I'm certainly aware of the DFO report on the increased costs of land-based versus the current open net pen aquaculture, but none of those studies factor in the environmental costs, which are significant from the current practices, or the costs of the chemicals and vaccines and so on, or the cost to the industry of all the escapes, which are significant year after year. We are confident that when the dollars and cents get crunched and the business model is presented, it'll be cost competitive to raise salmon commercially on land--cost competitive with current practices of the open net pen.

Watching my time here, Mr. Chairman, I'll just summarize by saying that the open net pen industry is implicated globally in the widespread negative environmental impacts. The aquaculture industry says it would be too costly to move the industry to land. Whenever there is a large amount of money to be made, there will always be convenient excuses to stick with the status quo and not to move forward with better and new technologies.

At present, and I'm sure you've heard this from others, there's a bureaucratic maze of ineffective regulation by agencies that both promote and regulate the aquaculture industry. It's time for Fisheries and Oceans Canada and our provincial governments that are home to salmon aquaculture and wild Atlantic salmon runs to implement and enforce a strong regulatory regime to control the negative impacts on the environment. We see land-based aquaculture as the way forward, separating the farm fish from the wild fish, protecting our environment, and protecting the lucrative recreational salmon fishing industry, the first nations fisheries, and traditional commercial fisheries like lobster.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd be happy to do my best to respond to questions.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you very much, Mr. Taylor.

We'll start off with Mr. Hayes.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Bryan Hayes Conservative Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I reviewed your briefing notes and I want to talk a little bit about the partnership with the Freshwater Institute in West Virginia. I'm hoping you can elaborate on that a little bit more. You stated that the status is that in a few months the first batch will be ready for market. I want to get a sense of what information has been gathered so far that you can share with us in terms of learnings and conclusions drawn, and what more do you hope to find out with this partnership?

3:45 p.m.

President, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Bill Taylor

I brought my colleague Jonathan Carr along for good reason, to help me respond to just those sorts of questions.

John.

3:45 p.m.

Jonathan Carr Director, Research and Environment, Atlantic Salmon Federation

They want to provide data on the growth rate survival, key metrics in terms of how the fish are grown, any antibiotics, any chemicals being used, things like that. So today what we have to share is that the fish are doing quite well. There's been about a 5% mortality, and the mortality of those fish have been fish that have jumped out of the tank. There hasn't been any sense of disease, parasites, or any other pathogens. No antibiotics, no vaccines have been used. The fish are growing quite well. At the end of August they were about 1.6 kilos and they're on target to be about 4 kilograms by January.

Looking at the graph comparisons between the land-based facility in West Virginia with that of the net pens, these fish would go to market about eight to nine months before the net pen fish become market size. So they grow a lot faster in freshwater as well.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Bryan Hayes Conservative Sault Ste. Marie, ON

I'm sure you had parameters and expectations that are being met at this stage of the game?

3:45 p.m.

Director, Research and Environment, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Jonathan Carr

All of our expectations are being met at this stage, yes.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Bryan Hayes Conservative Sault Ste. Marie, ON

I'm curious as to whether closed containment is the lesser of two evils. You're promoting the closed containment technology, obviously, because of the open net concerns in terms of the environment. Specific to closed containment, are there still some concerns that you have with regard to that if it were to move forward? I think I can probably point specifically to what I'm looking at: recreational salmon fishing. There may still be a concern specific to the fact that closed containment still represents a market for salmon that might take away from recreational fishing. I just want to understand whether you're going to have concerns with closed containment.

3:50 p.m.

President, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Bill Taylor

That's a good question. Related to the concern from the recreational fishing industry, the answer is no.

Just to clarify, most of our Atlantic Salmon Federation members are obviously recreational salmon anglers, but not all. We represent and speak for the wild fish. There are times when we actually have to take actions that are not always favourably seen by recreational salmon anglers. We support closures when fish are endangered and so on.

That being said, we do not envision any negative implications for wild Atlantic salmon, moving forward. We've actually even looked at greenhouse gas emissions, water recirculation, and so on, because those are all finite resources as well. We do not believe there will be any negative impacts. In fact, our systems are 99.8% or 98% recirculated water. We're using solar energy to a great extent. One of the great things that is not often looked at with land-based aquaculture is that you can put these facilities close to the market, so you eliminate or greatly reduce transportation costs and emissions from transporting the fish great distances as well.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Bryan Hayes Conservative Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Do I have time for one more?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Yes.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Bryan Hayes Conservative Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Your report states that $270 million is ascribed to the worth of the aquaculture industry, but that doesn't take into account the damage by the industry to fish, crustaceans, and the environment generally. Can you speak to that? Is there any way to quantify that at all?

3:50 p.m.

President, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Bill Taylor

I will try. That number of $270 million is in a Gardner Pinfold study as well, which I understand the industry commissioned. So hopefully we're comparing apples with apples.

I think I mentioned that within Quebec and the four Atlantic provinces there are more than 1,000 rivers that once were home to wild Atlantic salmon runs. In New Brunswick, as an example, there are over 100 wild salmon rivers. Over half of them are closed because there were too few wild fish coming back to those rivers. Actually, the Atlantic Salmon Federation supports those closures. In the big area of the Bay of Fundy, there are 40 rivers on the New Brunswick and Nova Scotia sides of the Bay of Fundy that are all closed. That's where the aquaculture industry is. When rivers like the Saint John, the Tobique, the Nashwaak, and those 40 rivers in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick are closed, you are closing down the recreational fishing industry: lodges, outfitters, guides, and tackle manufacturers. There's a cost to that.

The Atlantic Salmon Federation is very hopeful. While the recreational fishing industry in 2010 was worth $130 million, we believe there's much greater value in a restored fishery. Once we can get those rivers opened again, with healthy salmon runs, and we see.... The Saint John River, in my lifetime, and I'm not that old—I don't feel that old, anyway—was the second most productive Atlantic salmon river in North America, next only to the Miramichi. It's closed.

I hope that answers your question.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Bryan Hayes Conservative Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Yes.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

You have about a minute remaining, Mr. Kamp.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Kamp Conservative Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge—Mission, BC

I have a quick question then.

It seems to me that in your briefing document.... You referred to this; I can't find it right at the moment. But in proposing that closed containment is the way to go, you make the suggestion that if it goes on land, it could go anywhere on land. That's not exactly true. We heard other witnesses tell us it's hard to find all the necessary water sources if you're going to have a recirculating thing. So it can't go anywhere.

But if it could go closer to the markets, which I think you say in your document, what's going to stop these industries from moving out of rural New Brunswick, for example, or Newfoundland and Labrador and going to the U.S., Chicago, or somewhere closer to the market? Would you not see that as a negative result of a widespread, a wide-scale shift toward closed containment?

3:50 p.m.

President, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Bill Taylor

Jonathan, do you want to speak to the water sources first? Then maybe I can handle the second part of that question.

3:50 p.m.

Director, Research and Environment, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Jonathan Carr

Certainly.

With respect to the water sources, you are limited to a degree. You have to have enough water, obviously, from springs and wells. The water quality is another thing, too. So it can't go just anywhere, but you would have many more options than you have where the net pens are currently.

3:55 p.m.

President, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Bill Taylor

I guess the honest answer is probably that nothing would keep industry from setting up close to Chicago, say, or close to Toronto or close to Ottawa, but there would still be, I'm sure, a market in maritime Canada, and I would think a very good market.

The other thing about the product from land-based...certainly what we've seen to date is that it's a much better product than is currently raised in open net pens, and the jobs that are supported by closed containment technology...at least as many jobs and probably at a higher pay scale.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you.

Mr. Donnelly.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP New Westminster—Coquitlam, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Welcome to our guests. Thank you for being here.

You mentioned in your opening remarks Atlantic salmon being in steep decline or in decline over the past three decades. I believe you said it, but if you could, please reiterate what you think is the primary cause of that decline.

3:55 p.m.

President, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Bill Taylor

Sure. I can share the information. Atlantic salmon has been in steep decline, certainly throughout the 1970s, until just a decade ago.... There are many threats. I wouldn't want to point one finger and say that there's one cause for the salmon decline and that one cause is aquaculture. There are many causes: habitat loss, poor forestry practices, poor agricultural practices, commercial fishing for too long, and on and on.

But in areas where there is a high concentration of aquaculture, open net pen operations like we have in the Bay of Fundy and like we have in southern Newfoundland, that's where our wild salmon runs are in the steepest decline. Also, that decline began at the same time that the open net pen industry began to expand. There are many, many peer-reviewed scientific studies--they're too numerous to begin to point to--that point the finger at aquaculture as a cause. I did mention that the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada pointed to aquaculture as a primary cause in both the inner and the outer Bay of Fundy and southern Newfoundland.

Very recently--2001--there were very few wild Atlantic salmon left in the U.S. The only wild salmon left are in the State of Maine. The U.S. government moved to place all those wild Atlantic salmon, the few wild Atlantic salmon left, on the endangered species list. Second to habitat loss because of hydro projects was aquaculture as a primary cause for the decline. So it's an issue that not only the Atlantic Salmon Federation but the scientific community throughout the North Atlantic points to.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP New Westminster—Coquitlam, BC

Thanks.

What do you think is the most important thing the federal government could do to address that issue?

3:55 p.m.

President, Atlantic Salmon Federation

Bill Taylor

To address the...?