Evidence of meeting #17 for Health in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was jurisdiction.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Joshua Tepper  Provincial Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources
Jeff Latimer  Director, Health Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Sylvain Tremblay  Senior Analyst, Chief, Canadian Community Health Survey, Health Statistics Division, Statistics Canada
Abby Hoffman  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Health
Shelagh Jane Woods  Director General, Primary Health Care and Public Health Directorate, First Nations and Inuit Health Branch, Department of Health
Debra Gillis  Director, Primary Health Care, Primary Health Care and Public Health Directorate, First Nations and Inuit Health Branch, Department of Health
Margo Craig Garrison  Federal Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

10 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

If you want to get the data down to the community level, what do you have to pay for and what is the cost?

10 a.m.

Director, Health Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Jeff Latimer

Let me just say that first of all, the sample size, which is quite large at 66,000, doesn't necessarily allow us to really produce estimates at a community level. We've designed our survey so that we can produce it at a health region level. Because of our confidentiality rules at Statistics Canada, it's quite difficult for us to actually be able to release information from the Canadian community health survey at the community level. If we look at the confidentiality rules and we feel we can release the data, it's quite likely that the estimates are not reliable at that level of geography anyway.

10 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

What data do have to be paid for?

10 a.m.

Director, Health Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Jeff Latimer

If we are required to do a custom tabulation, which is something that's not available on our website, then we would have to charge for that information.

10 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Is it charged by the hour, or how is it charged?

10 a.m.

Director, Health Statistics Division, Statistics Canada

Jeff Latimer

We follow traditional government cost recovery policies.

10 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Okay. Thank you.

I'm going to ask about IMGs. As was discussed, we've heard there are agreements with other countries to provide visas for international medical graduates to complete postgraduate training and then return to their country to practise afterwards.

How many medical residents with visas are currently training in Canada, and what are the fees that they pay? You mentioned that we're tracking them.

10 a.m.

Provincial Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Dr. Joshua Tepper

What was the second question? I missed the last three words.

10 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

You mentioned that this is being watched very carefully, so I'm wondering if you can table with the committee how many visa medical students there are per province, in what fields, and what the fee schedule is, please.

10:05 a.m.

Provincial Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Dr. Joshua Tepper

We'd have to get back to you. That will take some time.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Roughly, do we know how many visa residents are currently training in Canada?

10:05 a.m.

Federal Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Margo Craig Garrison

Yes, we do. The statistics that we have from 2009 indicate there are 755 across the country.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

You said it's 755.

10:05 a.m.

Federal Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Margo Craig Garrison

I don't have that broken down by jurisdiction. That we can provide to you.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Thank you. That would be very helpful.

How many IMGs get spots in Canada?

10:05 a.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Health

Abby Hoffman

I think it's in the range of just under 400 Canadian IMGs who....

10:05 a.m.

Provincial Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Dr. Joshua Tepper

I'm sorry, but we're counting the numbers incorrectly. One is an entry-level position. How many entry-level positions there are versus how many are totally in training are very different questions. Most training is for multiple years, so you're compounding it--

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

No. How many entry spots are there?

10:05 a.m.

Provincial Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Dr. Joshua Tepper

Okay. That will change our visa number dramatically.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

That's what I'd like to know. How many entry spots are there in both categories, please?

10:05 a.m.

Provincial Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Dr. Joshua Tepper

It's good to get clarity.

10:05 a.m.

Federal Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Margo Craig Garrison

I think we'd better verify that and get back to you.

10:05 a.m.

Provincial Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Dr. Joshua Tepper

It's 91 in the first year for visa trainees.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

There are 91. What is it for IMGs, please?

10:05 a.m.

Provincial Co-Chair, Advisory Committee on Health Delivery and Human Resources

Dr. Joshua Tepper

I think it was 392.