Evidence of meeting #12 for Health in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was home.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Suzanne Garon  Principal Investigator, Research Centre on Aging, University of Sherbrooke, As an Individual
Jeff Poston  Executive Director, Canadian Pharmacists Association
Sandra Hirst  Executive Board Member, National Initiative for the Care of the Elderly
Carole Estabrooks  Professor, Faculty of Nursing, University of Alberta; Canada Research Chair in Knowledge Translation, As an Individual
Dorothy Pringle  Professor Emeritus, Lawrence S. Bloomberg Faculty of Nursing, University of Toronto, As an Individual
Phil Emberley  Director, Pharmacy Innovation, Canadian Pharmacists Association
Clerk of the Committee  Mrs. Mariane Beaudin

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

Do I have 30 seconds?

Is the mixed model working, by and large? Do you see that as a strength in this issue that's going to get larger as we go forward?

5:15 p.m.

Professor, Faculty of Nursing, University of Alberta; Canada Research Chair in Knowledge Translation, As an Individual

Dr. Carole Estabrooks

My read on it is that the jury is still out on that. In some jurisdictions it appears to be working reasonably well, but there are mixed reports about quality depending on the model you have. Some will say that it doesn't seem to make a difference, and some think it does. I don't think we have a really good handle on whether the private for-profit model is working in the residential long-term care sector.

5:15 p.m.

Professor Emeritus, Lawrence S. Bloomberg Faculty of Nursing, University of Toronto, As an Individual

Dr. Dorothy Pringle

I think there is more consensus that the quality is better in the not-for-profit model, both in community care delivery and in residential long-term care.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you so much.

Thank you, Mr. Williamson, for your generosity to Mr. Bruinooge. I really appreciate that.

We want to thank our witnesses for coming today.

We have some brief committee business to do so I'll suspend the meeting for two minutes. If anyone has conversations they have to carry on, would you kindly do it outside the door?

5:15 p.m.

NDP

Libby Davies NDP Vancouver East, BC

Madam Chair, before you suspend, could I raise a point of order?

I notice that our committee business is in camera. I don't think we'll be discussing details of witnesses, so I don't understand why it should be in camera. I'd like to move that we continue with our public meeting until 5:30. I move that as a motion.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Is there any discussion on this motion?

Dr. Carrie.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

We usually have our business meetings in camera, so I'd like to continue that going forward.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Libby Davies NDP Vancouver East, BC

I'd like a recorded vote, please.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

A recorded vote: all in favour of having it in camera, raise your hands.

5:20 p.m.

An hon. member

In camera--

5:20 p.m.

An hon. member

What are we--

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

We'll have a recorded vote.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Anne Minh-Thu Quach NDP Beauharnois—Salaberry, QC

Could you tell me more about the procedure before we continue the meeting in camera? Can that request be made at any time and for any reason? I just want to know why we are continuing our discussion in camera.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

We'll proceed with the vote first to deal with the motion.

5:20 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Mrs. Mariane Beaudin

I will answer your question, but a recorded vote has been requested and I will first proceed to that business.

The motion is to proceed in public.

(Motion negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

The motion is denied, so we shall suspend for two minutes.

October 31st, 2011 / 5:20 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Mrs. Mariane Beaudin

Thank you.

[Proceedings continue in camera]