Evidence of meeting #107 for Health in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was you're.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Heather Jeffrey  President, Public Health Agency of Canada
Catherine MacLeod  Acting President, Canadian Institutes of Health Research
Eric Costen  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Jennifer Saxe  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

Who are you accusing of treason, sir?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Minister and—

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

Your crazy bombast and your foolish, petulant behaviour—

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

Who are you accusing of treason?

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

—will not make this committee bow down.

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

You can't accuse somebody of treason and not name them. I think that's totally irresponsible.

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

I'm here to ask the questions and you're here to answer them, which you continue to refuse to do.

This is actually a point of privilege, if you don't want to answer the questions. Is that how you want to do this?

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

What I want to be able to do is understand who you just accused of treason, sir. That's an incredibly awful accusation.

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

It is. Do you know what the definition of treason is?

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

Who are you accusing of treason?

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

No, I'm asking the questions. Do you know what the definition of treason is?

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

I get to ask questions. You don't get to dictate that.

Who are you accusing of treason, sir?

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

Do you know what the definition of treason is—yes or no?

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

Who are you accusing of treason?

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

You really have no idea. That's exactly what Canadians want to hear.

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

Who are you accusing of treason?

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

What's the definition of treason, Minister?

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

If you are going to accuse somebody of treason in this country, that is a reprehensible thing to do. I would ask that you name who you are accusing of treason.

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

Do you know what? I do not need to answer your questions, but you need to answer mine.

What is the definition of treason? Do you have any idea?

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

I'd be curious. You named somebody as being treasonous, so who are they and what's your definition?

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

I asked you what the definition of treason is. Do you know what it is?

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

It's betraying your country.

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

No. That's not it. It is actually, very simply, knowingly communicating “military or scientific information” or documents “to an agent of a state other than Canada” with the intention of jeopardizing the safety or defence of Canada.

Did that happen at this lab?

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Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax, ON

Neither of us is a lawyer, but you and I would both know that calling somebody something like a—

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Conservative

Stephen Ellis Conservative Cumberland—Colchester, NS

Do you know what, Minister? You're not a doctor, but you made a whole bunch of claims today that are non-scientific as well.