Procedure and House Affairs Committee on March 21st, 2011

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

Certainly.

[Marcel Proulx, Liberal, Hull—Aylmer, QC]

I just want to know from Mr. Lukiwski if he agrees that it should be in the sentence that starts “In response...”. That's what it says, “some members of the committee”, because the rest of the paragraph is tied into that “in response”.

[Tom Lukiwski, Conservative, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

May I respond to Mr.--

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

Certainly.

[Tom Lukiwski, Conservative, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

This was a separate thought, right? This was a separate issue.

[Marcel Proulx, Liberal, Hull—Aylmer, QC]

It's not in the French. In French it's all tied in together.

[Tom Lukiwski, Conservative, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

Oh, I understand there's a difference in French. I'm only dealing with what the English says. I appreciate that there is a difference there, and that has to be corrected. But in the English version it states “It was further noted”--in other words, a different topic--that the information binder contained inadequate and insufficient information.

I'm just saying that since it was not unanimous, we did not all agree with this statement, it should say “It was further noted that some members” felt there was inadequate and insufficient information, reflecting the fact that there was a difference of opinion at committee, which is factually correct.

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

Great.

Mr. Young.

[Terence Young, Conservative, Oakville, ON]

I want to address Mr. McGuinty's comment on the final sentence on that paragraph. I agree with him: it should not say “Some members of the committee”, but it should have a condition on that, which is what this whole hearing is about. So it would say “The committee also stated that members of Parliament have the right to know the full costs of legislative measures outside the parameters of cabinet confidentiality”--

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

That's a--

[Terence Young, Conservative, Oakville, ON]

--or “within the parameters of cabinet confidentiality”.

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

That's a second amendment.

[Terence Young, Conservative, Oakville, ON]

The last sentence of that paragraph--

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

I'll call on you the minute we finish Mr. Lukiwski's--

[Terence Young, Conservative, Oakville, ON]

Okay, thank you. He raised it.

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

--to suggest further amendments, so we don't mix ourselves up and talk about two things at once.

On Mr. Lukiwski's addition of “It was further noted by some members” in the fourth from the bottom line on the English version, that's where we currently are. That's what he's suggesting we change.

I understand that the French version adequately reflects all of that.

[Marcel Proulx, Liberal, Hull—Aylmer, QC]

No.

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

No, you don't believe it does? Okay. Well then let's deal with Mr. Lukiwski's change to the English version first and we'll talk about what the French alternative to that is.

Do you want to do that, Monsieur Proulx?

[Marcel Proulx, Liberal, Hull—Aylmer, QC]

I'd rather we discuss the French now to make sure that we're on the same wavelength.

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

Okay, let's do it that way, then.

[Marcel Proulx, Liberal, Hull—Aylmer, QC]

The French version, in saying Ils ont soutenu, refers to Certains membres du comité ont dit avoir du mal à croire.... So if Mr. Lukiwski doesn't want to tie both in, we would have to change Ils ont soutenu by Certains membres du comité ont soutenu que l'information contenue....

Is that okay, Claude?

[Claude DeBellefeuille, Bloc, Beauharnois—Salaberry, QC]

Yes. There is basically a connection...

[Marcel Proulx, Liberal, Hull—Aylmer, QC]

If that's the sense.... It's two different groups, right?

[The Chair, Conservative, Joe Preston]

So “Certains membres”....

[Claude DeBellefeuille, Bloc, Beauharnois—Salaberry, QC]

But in French, it is connected.