Evidence of meeting #73 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was commission.

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

No, it isn't a limited access highway by any stretch. It's a regular city street, albeit well travelled, probably with four lanes, two in either direction, as I recall.

You are correct in that the river is a much more natural boundary. Actually, the previous proposals of the commission didn't take any account of the river, even going up the east side of Kitchener, so I was pleased that they went down the river as far as they did. The real problem, however, is that the existing Cambridge riding is so large that when you look at the overall population of the Waterloo region, it would be difficult not to cross the river a little bit.

I'm not trying to suggest that we could avoid crossing the river altogether. I'm just saying let's put the undeveloped land, which is being developed, into Kitchener South, because it's new and without previous historical identification.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Woodworth.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

You're welcome.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you.

Madam Latendresse.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Alexandrine Latendresse NDP Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

Thank you for your presentation, Mr. Woodworth. I feel that your proposals are quite clear.

But I am not sure I understood one thing. Does this affect Mr. Braid's riding and Mr. Albrecht's?

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

No. It does not affect their ridings, but I consulted them because—

I had better stick with English. I apologize.

12:30 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Alexandrine Latendresse NDP Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

No problem.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

They do adjoin my riding, and the material from the committee suggested that I should check with adjoining riding people, but really, it won't affect them in any way whatsoever.

The northern boundary and the western boundaries that would adjoin them are not going to change under the proposal that I've made, only that southern boundary, which affects only the new riding and which of course has no member of Parliament at this time.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Alexandrine Latendresse NDP Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

Fine.

You said earlier that the proposed change would create a difference of about 10%. In a lot of cases, the commission is trying to keep the difference under 10%, but the legislation allows that figure to be exceeded. But I think that the argument you are presenting to us is a strong one. In that case, given that it is very close to 10%, I really see little problem in trying to go a bit further in order to create ridings that tie in better with the communities of interest and that make some sense.

Thank you for your presentation. It was very interesting.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

If I may, I'll just add quickly that the southern riding will grow by reason of the undeveloped nature of the pieces that I'm proposing go to them.

Thank you very much.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you.

Mr. Cullen, did you want to use some of the time?

12:35 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I have a very small comment on the anticipation of, and the effects on, population variance of this new riding. The southern riding is the new riding?

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Yes.

12:35 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Because we have no one to speak to the interest of that here at this committee process, we want to make sure we don't create something that will quickly go outside of the variance the commission tries to set. Can you assure us of that?

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Well, it certainly won't get any smaller.…

12:35 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

That's what I mean, in terms of the jump up.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Yes, on the southern riding, I'm going by the best information I could come up with, based on the populations of the existing polling stations within the riding. So I'm pretty confident of that.

I can't tell you for certain how much the population will grow in the new and newly developed areas, but I expect it will grow, without a doubt, and then the riding of Kitchener South will become more populated and approach the median—

12:35 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Approach the median, but—

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Kitchener Centre may have some further population growth due to brownfield work and infilling in the centre. But, again, that's rather difficult to predict.

12:35 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Just as a general comment, I join my colleague in saying thank you. It's a very straightforward and good presentation, without any accusations of bias and whatnot. Thank you, I appreciate it.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Thank you.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

We'd like it if you could argue with yourself for just for a minute.

12:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

I'm quite capable of doing that.