Evidence of meeting #26 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was worker.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Stan Raper  National Coordinator, Agricultural Workers Program, United Food and Commercial Workers Union
Philip Mooney  National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants
Alli Amlani  President, Ontario Chapter, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants
Victor Wong  Executive Director, Chinese Canadian National Council
Mario Bellissimo  Certified Specialist, Barrister and Solicitor, As an Individual
Carol Phillips  Assistant to the President, Canadian Auto Workers Union
Geraldine Sadoway  Parkdale Community Legal Services
Abigail Martinez  Osgoode Hall Law School, Parkdale Community Legal Services
Raj Dhaliwal  Director, Human Rights Department, Canadian Auto Workers Union
Sonia Singh  Parkdale Community Legal Services
Chris Ramsaroop  National Organizer, Justicia for Migrant Workers
André Lyn  Researcher, Community Social Planning Council of Toronto
Zenia Castanos  Intern, Community Social Planning Council of Toronto
Alberto Lalli  Community Legal Worker, Industrial Accident Victims Group of Ontario
Consuela Rubio  Community Legal Worker, Centre for Spanish Speaking People, Industrial Accident Victims Group of Ontario

2:55 p.m.

Assistant to the President, Canadian Auto Workers Union

Carol Phillips

It's not specifically on this question, Chair, but—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay, then; I think Sonia was right on that question.

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Parkdale Community Legal Services

Sonia Singh

This is just related to the previous question. I would add to the list of recommendations you outlined—and definitely I'm in agreement with all of those—that an additional recommendation is that there should be an end to the repatriation or unilateral deportations of workers who are here working under temporary workers programs and that there should be a fair appeal process set up for workers facing that situation.

Also, temporary workers are coming here under federal programs, yet are regulated under provincial employment standard laws. That's a huge mismatch of different kinds of standards across the provinces. We would recommend that temporary workers, like live-in caregivers and seasonal farm workers, be covered under federal standards and that those standards be updated to increase protection for precarious workers, including temporary workers, and also that the enforcement of those labour standards be drastically improved. We need to see proactive and targeted enforcement of labour standards.

Also, we need a system in which, if an employer is found to be in violation of workers' rights, they should not be issued new permits for temporary workers in the future. That is happening day after day in the current system.

2:55 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

And drop the fees while we're at it.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

We'll go to Ms. Phillips. She's been trying to get a word in, and Geraldine as well.

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Assistant to the President, Canadian Auto Workers Union

Carol Phillips

I would also add to the list that there in fact be a moratorium on temporary foreign worker program expansion at this time. There are too many issues with the program that need to be dealt with. I think in unionized workplaces there needs to be compulsory consultation with the union in the workplace.

Federal jurisdiction would cause a problem for us, if we had provincial jurisdiction affecting the collective agreement. We've run into a lot of problems and an increasing number of problems. It appears that it's being used as a union-busting tool, and we need time to consider that.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Ms. Sadoway.

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Parkdale Community Legal Services

Geraldine Sadoway

On the point, which Ms. Chow made as well, about the changes proposed with the amendment in Bill C-50, as my friend Mr. Bellissimo mentioned, the Federal Court of Appeal found that our current act only complies with international human rights conventions with regard to the right of family members to be together because of that humanitarian and compassionate application program; that's the only way out. If we say that it is discretionary, that you don't have to have a decision on it, then you're saying no to that seven-year-old girl having a chance to reunify with her father.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay.

And our last speaker is Mr. Komarnicki.

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Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Thank you very much.

I have just a few questions to Geraldine Sadoway.

With respect to undocumented workers, I understand you to say that you'd like to see a legitimate pathway found for them to come into the system. Is that correct?

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Parkdale Community Legal Services

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Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

And the mechanism you see through which it would happen is a hearing body of some kind, is it?

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Parkdale Community Legal Services

Geraldine Sadoway

Well, we had a program that worked very well. It was very easy to operate. It was an administrative review program.

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Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Just give me a—

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Parkdale Community Legal Services

Geraldine Sadoway

An anonymous, third-party application is made by the applicant—the third party fills out the application and just doesn't give the address. Basically, if that is approved—because the person qualifies—then the person comes forward, and it's all checked out, and they're landed.

3 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Okay, so you see that as a mechanism—

3 p.m.

Parkdale Community Legal Services

Geraldine Sadoway

That is a mechanism that worked very well and brought many people forward who were afraid, because of their real fear of return.

3 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Right. That's for the undocumented side. Now, speaking on the refugee side, of course, obviously there's a process—first a refugee hearing, and there may be a failure or a negative decision in that regard, which then puts you either into an undocumented situation, or you can go through the system with a variety of means. I suppose one of them is humanitarian and compassionate grounds. Is that correct?

3 p.m.

Parkdale Community Legal Services

Geraldine Sadoway

Yes, except that there's that fee.

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Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Right. Well, let's not talk about the fee; that's another issue.

You have a humanitarian and compassionate grounds application, and in fact you can make that application more than once.

3 p.m.

Parkdale Community Legal Services

Geraldine Sadoway

Yes, you can if you have a lot of money.

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Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

You can make it two or three or four times, if the circumstances—

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Parkdale Community Legal Services

Geraldine Sadoway

That wouldn't really make sense, because—

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Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

But if you got married or you had a child or you had a relationship, those would be the kinds of factors that would be considered, would they not?

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Parkdale Community Legal Services

Geraldine Sadoway

Yes, if there are new circumstances certainly it would make sense to make it a second time.