Evidence of meeting #84 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.
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11:35 a.m.
NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
You do have a gavel, and please use it, but really, I have a point of order that I have not finished.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
All right. You're quite right. I'd like to hear your point of order.
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NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
Even on the previous question, there is no limit as to the number of times people can speak. I know, for example, because I indicated to the clerk—and I know you were busy—to put me back on the list. Madam Groguhé did the same. Mademoiselle Sitsabaiesan did the same. We were back on the list. We indicated that.
I don't see how that list has disappeared. Therefore, I believe that the question that has just been put is out of order. I tried to raise this before the question was put, and the chair did not take my point of order. We did not exhaust the list.
11:35 a.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
Ms. Sims, I have in my hand a piece of paper—you know what we do—with the names as to who speaks—
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Conservative
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
I have a piece of paper, as you know, that either the clerk or the chairman adds to when people ask to speak. I looked at the list. Your name was not on the list. We had come to Ms. Freeman, who was the last speaker. There were no other speakers.
If you put up your hand, you did not get the attention of the clerk, or you did not get the attention of the chairman, so everything is in order.
Mr. Opitz, you have the floor.
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Conservative
Ted Opitz Conservative Etobicoke Centre, ON
Mr. Chair, I had my hand up to speak as well. I just didn't get recognized.
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NDP
Rathika Sitsabaiesan NDP Scarborough—Rouge River, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
When we commenced the debate on the amendment that I proposed, I proposed that amendment because I had the floor while I was speaking to the main motion. My understanding of proper procedure, like what happened this morning when Mr. Menegakis had the floor, when the meeting was suspended, is that the speaker who has the floor resumes having the floor.
Mr. Chair, respectfully, I did have the floor when the debate on the main motion was suspended, so it should go back to the speaker who was duly recognized by the chair, was given the floor, and who held the floor.
11:35 a.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
I'm just taking a moment to suspend. I want to confer with the clerk.
12:35 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
Ms. Sitsabaiesan, on your point of order, to be consistent, you may recall that when we proceeded to debate the amendment, a new list was created. It was a list at my discretion. It was at that point that Mr. Dykstra then put forward the issue of whether the question should be put. I think we may have had some debate with Mr. Menegakis. That's my recollection.
In other words, it's at the full discretion of the chair, and I am exercising my discretion on the list that I have chosen.
Point of order, Ms. Sims.
12:35 p.m.
NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
Thank you very much.
I know that it's at the chair's discretion to have a whole new list to express the new reality, although it shouldn't be the new reality, of the tyranny of the majority, and the chair did that. But—
12:35 p.m.
Conservative
Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON
I know, Chair, that you asked us not to dwell on things that happened in the last week when you weren't here.
That's a reference that Ms. Sims continues to make. I think it's actually unparliamentary in terms of language, and I would ask her to refrain from using that reference in future.
12:35 p.m.
Conservative