Evidence of meeting #72 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was education.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Aaron McCrorie  Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency
Carl Desmarais  Director General, Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency
Balbir Singh  As an Individual
Lovepreet Singh  As an Individual
Sarom Rho  Organizer, Migrant Workers Alliance for Change
Larissa Bezo  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Bureau for International Education
James Casey  Research and Policy Analyst, Canadian Federation of Students
Janet Morrison  President and Vice-Chancellor, Sheridan College
Dory Jade  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants
Monica O'Brien  Education Manager, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants
Anna Boyden  Assistant Deputy Minister, Ministry of Colleges and Universities, Government of Ontario
Kamaljit Kaur Lehal  Barrister and Solicitor, Lehal Law Corporation
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Keelan Buck

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 72 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration. Sorry for the delay because of the votes.

Today, we are continuing our study of the exploitation scheme targeting certain international students.

Before we begin, I will let all members know that because of the time period and services not being available for this meeting beyond 6:15 p.m., I've asked the clerk to cancel the second panel. They were coming in virtually in the second panel. I have kept the first panel, as they are here in person.

I would like to welcome two senior officials from the Canada Border Services Agency. They are Aaron McCrorie, vice-president, intelligence and enforcement; and Carl Desmarais, director general, enforcement.

Thanks and welcome. Sorry for the delay. You had to wait for almost an hour here.

You have five minutes for your opening remarks. Please begin, and then we will go to a round of questioning.

5:15 p.m.

Aaron McCrorie Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Good afternoon, Madam Chair. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for the opportunity to discuss today the challenges of fraudulent student documents.

I would like to give you an overview of the CBSA's mandate under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, or IRPA, with respect to protecting the integrity of the immigration system.

The admission of international students to Canada is a shared responsibility among the CBSA, IRCC and the Immigration and Refugee Board, or IRB. The system includes a number of layers of defence to ensure the integrity of our immigration system.

First of all, applicants are required by law to answer truthfully all questions asked in the context of the immigration application. They are also responsible for all the information and documentation contained in their application.

Second, the IRCC is responsible for reviewing, validating and approving study permit requests made from overseas. You heard last week about their efforts in this space to combat fraudulent documentation.

Third, the CBSA will verify the admissibility of applicants at the port of entry and issue the study permit once satisfied of the applicant's admissibility.

Finally, the CBSA conducts intelligence-driven inland investigations into possible fraud. In terms of those inland investigations, the CBSA is responsible for gathering intelligence to identify patterns of concern and, based on those patterns, for gathering evidence and assessing, on a case-by-case basis, possible inadmissibility. It presents those allegations to the IRB.

The IRB, which is an independent tribunal, will hear the case, weigh the evidence presented by both sides and make a determination of admissibility. If the applicant is found inadmissible, the IRB is responsible for issuing the removal order.

The law and jurisprudence are clear. Persons who misrepresent themselves to seek entry into Canada or to remain in Canada are contravening IRPA and risk being removed from the country. However, there are other mitigations in place. All individuals who are ordered to be removed have access to due process and can challenge removal orders through various levels of recourse, as well as have access to the Federal Court. As you heard last week from our colleagues at IRCC, they have tools like the temporary resident permit to restore status and effectively stay removals. Once the IRB has found an applicant inadmissible and all avenues of recourse have been pursued, the CBSA has a statutory obligation to remove foreign nationals as quickly as possible.

As the committee is aware, currently there are a number of active IRPA investigations into cases of misrepresentation involving students. In 2018, the CBSA was investigating organized crime groups and became aware of issues with students not attending school and getting involved in criminality and gangs. This led to new lines of inquiry, which, ultimately, based on tips we had from the public in 2020, led us to identify over 2,000 cases where fraudulent documents may have been used to obtain a student visa.

In collaboration with IRCC, we reviewed those cases, and you could see the layers of defence working. As you heard last week from our IRCC colleagues, those 2,000 cases of interest were narrowed down to 1,485 study permit applications, 970 of which were refused. Then 440 applications were approved, indicating the possible number of students in Canada. Of those 440 applications, we have identified a little over 300 cases of concern. This compares to the 817,000 student permits that have been issued since 2020.

The investigations so far have found that about half of the 300 were genuine students who came to Canada to study. For the other half, we have no evidence that they were genuine students, and that will require further review. We found some instances where individuals were engaged in criminal activity.

As announced last week, a task force of IRCC officials is working closely with the CBSA to identify genuine students by assessing each case's specific circumstances. For these cases, we are pausing removals to allow the review to take place. Those who are found to be genuine students will be issued a temporary resident permit to allow them to continue their journey in Canada. Others will continue to benefit from due process and all the protections that are in place.

The CBSA's mandate under IRPA is about upholding the integrity of Canada's immigration system. Doing so allows the government to protect the 250,000 students who choose to come to Canada each year by providing them with a path that is honest and fair. By working with others like IRCC and the IRB, we can ensure that we have a system that is rigorous, fair and compassionate.

Thank you. We welcome questions from members.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Thank you.

With that, we will go to our round of questioning. We will begin with Mr. Kmiec for six minutes.

Go ahead, Mr. Kmiec.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

Thank you, Chair.

You mentioned “tips”. You used the plural, but the IRCC assistant deputy minister said “tip”—one tip.

Which one is it? Was this a series of tips the CBSA had, or was it just one? It was in 2020. Are there other years in which you've had them as well?

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

In this particular case—my apologies—it was a tip in 2020 that led us to look into particular documents, verifying the validity of them. That led to about—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

Where did the tip come from?

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

We have a tip line, the border watch line. That's where it came in.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

It was just an anonymous tip from the public that came in.

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

It was an indication of a concern with an overstay.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

You said there were tips. You mentioned organized crime groups. That was the language used both by the minister and by officials from the department. Can you elaborate more on that?

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

We'll have a number of active investigations, from an administrative and criminal point of view, but also from an intel point of view, looking into the integrity of the immigration system. Each of them on their own will generate new information.

In 2018, we became concerned with what we were seeing in terms of a pattern of individuals coming into Canada and potentially using the student visa process to join criminal gangs. That, in turn, led to us looking more closely at the student visa process. There was a tip in 2020 that led to these particular cases.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

The CBSA is the one that identified the 2,000 potential cases, not IRCC.

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

We were working with IRCC.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

You were working with them, but you were the lead agency on that.

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

Are you confident, then, that you've identified all of the fraudulent cases?

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

Do you mean in this particular instance?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

Yes.

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

I'd say the numbers are always going to be subject to change as we continue our investigations and as we dig into this further. There may be other instances that we're not aware of. That's why we continue our investigations.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

You're still investigating the particular type of fraud that was committed against these students.

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

We've tied it back to a single source, if you will, of the documentation, but this is a larger issue with ongoing concerns.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

You're still going through files, going back to these 800,000-plus study permits that have been issued.

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

No. We looked at 2,000 cases. We've narrowed—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

You stopped there.

5:20 p.m.

Vice-President, Intelligence and Enforcement, Canada Border Services Agency

Aaron McCrorie

Those are the cases we stopped, yes, about 2,000.