Evidence of meeting #6 for Subcommittee on International Human Rights in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was macrae.

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Callum Macrae  As an Individual

2 p.m.

Conservative

David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON

Chair, I know that you're going to go to Mr. Jacob, but just one other thing. If I could ask again, with the agreement of my colleagues—I don't doubt Mr. Macrae—but just so that we can have independent verification that the military budget has gone up 25% after the conflict. I think that's an important thing for evidence.

2 p.m.

As an Individual

Callum Macrae

That is my recollection. I'd be more than happy to have that confirmed, but I believe that to be the case.

2 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

I'm just going to confirm, Mr. Macrae. I was told that you actually have a tight schedule, but we can go a tiny bit over our normal time if our committee agrees. Do you have any issues, or can you stay for a few minutes further?

2 p.m.

As an Individual

Callum Macrae

Yes, I am actually supposed to be at an event, which started three minutes ago, but I could perhaps spend another few minutes, not too many, unfortunately. I'm very sorry.

2 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

I appreciate that you've been very accommodating with us.

Mr. Jacob, go ahead.

2 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Macrae, thank you for appearing before our committee this afternoon.

I'd like to begin by asking you the following question. What do you think is the best tool—

2 p.m.

As an Individual

Callum Macrae

Thank you for inviting me to speak.

2 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

What do you think is the government's best tool for media censorship?

2 p.m.

As an Individual

Callum Macrae

I'm so sorry, I think I missed the beginning of that question. Would you mind saying it again?

2 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

What do you think is the government's best tool for media censorship?

2:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Callum Macrae

What does the government use to censor the media?

2:05 p.m.

A voice

That's correct.

2:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Callum Macrae

The censorship of the media in Sri Lanka is done by a combination of methods.

The primary method is that literally journalists die, disappear, or are forced into exile. There is a very good organization, which you might want to consider taking testimony from if there is time, called Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka, which is an organization of exiled journalists, Sinhala, Tamil, and I think Muslim journalists who have been exiled from Sri Lanka. It is an organization of very brave people who monitor what is happening to the media. The most immediate method of controlling the media is that. It is the threat of violence and the threat of expulsion and the threat of the white vans.

The second method is literally attempts to control. They have in the past had regulations where anything on security had to go through the defence media censorship committee. That was during the war. That's no longer the case, as I understand it, but it still operates on a kind of unofficial basis.

There is also, for example, The Sunday Leader, a newspaper that was, as I mentioned, actually founded by a Sinhala journalist, Lasantha Wickrematunge, who was a personal friend of the president and who was subsequently gunned down in the street. Since then, one of his journalists was shot, and indeed, the woman who was editing it has now been forced into exile, and the paper has been taken over by someone who is very close to the president. I won't say more precisely than that, because I'm not absolutely sure of his precise relationship, but I know that the ownership of the paper has shifted. Certainly the perception in Sri Lanka is that the government has, if you like, nobbled that newspaper in a certain sense, although there are still some good journalists trying to do good journalism on it.

Self-censorship is in a sense the key weapon. I know that many journalists would like to be able to do more and cannot. I have to say that I hold those journalists in the greatest of respect. Equally, there are many journalists whose slavish adherence to the government is actually comical if you're an outsider, but not comical if that's your only source of news and you believe the nonsense you've been told, as in this totally fictitious article which is written about me, for example. It wasn't just that there was innuendo; it wasn't just that assumptions were made about what I believed; but actually there was very specifically invented evidence, e-mails that clearly did not exist, and utterly constructed nonsense.

It's a combination of all these things that they use to control the media.

2:05 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Thank you, Mr. Macrae.

I have a second question for you. Where does access to the Internet stand in Sri Lanka? How does the government control Internet critics?

2:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Callum Macrae

The government has regularly prevented access to certain websites. It has limited certain websites. It has tried very statutory things. It has tried to introduce systems, with varying degrees of success, where websites had to register with the government. Also it has specifically blocked websites as well. It's uneven, and some external websites do manage to get through to Sri Lanka. Others are blocked and stopped. It's an uneven picture.

The problem is that the overwhelming message from the pro-government media is believed over and above websites anyway, in a sense that the government is able to marginalize websites and just tell lies about them, although on occasion, it also specifically blocks them.

2:05 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Thank you.

2:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Mr. Jacob, I'm sorry but you're out of time.

I just want to say to Mr. Macrae that I'm very grateful to you for letting us run over your time in this way. It's been very helpful to us, and I do apologize for making you late for your next engagement.

2:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Callum Macrae

Don't worry. I'm glad to be able to help.

2:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

All right, we really do appreciate it. Thanks so much.

2:10 p.m.

As an Individual

Callum Macrae

Okay, thank you.

2:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

Goodbye.

2:10 p.m.

As an Individual

2:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Scott Reid

We have lost Mr. Macrae. I hope we haven't messed him up too much. I was going to say to him that if anybody doubts this somewhat preposterous story that he was in a committee on another continent, just call us and we can confirm that's his reason for being late.

I do want to say, for the rest of you, thanks very much. We will be back, hopefully in the Centre Block on Tuesday.

That's it. The meeting is adjourned.