Evidence of meeting #92 for International Trade in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chains.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jennifer Lutfallah  Vice-President, Commercial and Trade Branch, Canada Border Services Agency
Tom Rosser  Assistant Deputy Minister, Market and Industry Services Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Sheryl Groeneweg  Director General, Advanced Manufacturing and Industrial Strategy Branch, Department of Industry
Robert Dick  Head, National Supply Chain Office, Department of Transport
Doug Band  Director General, Trade and Anti-dumping Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency
Kathleen Donohue  Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Mike Leahy  Director General, Commercial Projects, Canada Border Services Agency
Colin Stacey  Director General, Air Policy, Department of Transport

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)) Liberal Judy Sgro

I call the meeting back to order.

Welcome to meeting 92 of the Standing Committee on International Trade.

Welcome, everybody. Thank you. You're a pretty impressive group down there. We very much appreciate your being here.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, October 17, 2023, the committee is continuing its study of Canadian businesses in supply chains and global markets.

We have with us today, from the Canada Border Services Agency, Jennifer Lutfallah, vice-president of the commercial and trade branch; Doug Band, director general of the trade and anti-dumping programs directorate; and Mike Leahy, director general of commercial projects.

From the Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food, we have Tom Rosser, assistant deputy minister of the market and industry services branch, and Kathleen Donohue, assistant deputy minister.

From the Department of Finance, we have Scott Winter, senior director of trade rules in the international trade policy division.

From the Department of Industry, we have Sheryl Groeneweg, director general of the advanced manufacturing and industrial strategy branch.

From the Department of Public Works and Government Services, we have Clinton Lawrence-Whyte, director general, and Levent Ozmutlu, director general.

From the Department of Transport, we have Robert Dick, head of the national supply chain office, by video conference; Colin Stacey, director general; and Christian Dea, chief economist of transportation and economic analysis.

Welcome to you all.

Ms. Lutfallah, I invite you to make an opening statement of up to five minutes, please.

4:10 p.m.

Jennifer Lutfallah Vice-President, Commercial and Trade Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Good afternoon.

My name is Jennifer Lutfallah, and I am the vice-president of the commercial and trade branch at the Canada Border Services Agency. I have with me Doug Band, the director general of trade and anti-dumping programs, as well as Mike Leahy, director general of commercial projects.

Madam Chair and members of the committee, I appreciate the opportunity to contribute to the committee's study on Canadian businesses in supply chains and global markets and share with the committee the initiatives, tools and programs that the CBSA administers to support the growth of Canadian businesses.

First and foremost, I would like to bring to the attention of the committee that the CBSA has a broad mandate. We are responsible for providing integrated border services that support national security and public safety priorities, while also facilitating the free flow of persons and goods and collecting revenue owed to the Crown.

The CBSA enforces more than 100 acts and regulations on behalf of other government departments, ensuring that goods being imported or exported are compliant with Canadian trade laws and international trade agreements, which includes the proper assessment of duties and taxes owing on imported goods. We conduct regular compliance verification audits and deliver programs on behalf of the Department of Finance that support Canadian businesses.

For example, the CBSA administers the Special Import Measures Act on behalf of Finance Canada through the anti-dumping and countervailing program, which helps protect Canadian producers who face unfair foreign competition in the Canadian marketplace from injury caused by the dumping or subsidizing of imported goods.

Two other programs we administer on behalf of Finance Canada are the duty relief program and the duty drawback program. While our trade remedy system helps preserve a fair and open trading environment for domestic producers, both programs support the competitiveness of Canadian companies in the global market. Through these programs, qualified companies can import goods without paying duties, or may be reimbursed for duties paid on the condition that the imported goods are subsequently exported within a specific time period.

The CBSA also continues to modernize its border management processes by introducing new technologies to expedite the flow of goods and people across the border. CARM is a multiphased project designed to modernize the collection of duties and taxes for commercial goods imported into Canada. It will replace a 36-year-old legacy system which is at continued high risk of outage. It will help to protect and grow over $750 billion in trade and approximately $40 billion in revenue collected at the border each year.

On May 13 of this year, CARM will become the official system of record for the collection of duties and taxes. It will benefit trade chain partners by simplifying the overall importing process, providing a modern interface for importing into Canada. It will give importers self-service access to their information and it will digitize paper-based processes and improve consistency of compliance with trade rules.

Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. We would be happy to take any questions you may have.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much.

Mr. Rosser is next.

4:15 p.m.

Tom Rosser Assistant Deputy Minister, Market and Industry Services Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I express my gratitude to the committee and its members for providing me with the opportunity to address the crucial role the Government of Canada plays in supporting our agri-food businesses.

These businesses contribute significantly to both domestic and global supply chains, enhance exports and play integral roles in the agriculture sector.

Our agriculture and agri-food sectors serve as pivotal drivers of economic growth, as evidenced by the impressive $92.9 billion in exports recorded in 2022, marking a 12.7% increase over the year prior. However, we continue efforts to diversify access to markets to mitigate risks associated with the concentration of our exports—and there is work to do—with 84% of trade currently heading to key markets such as the United States, the European Union, China, Japan and Mexico.

Under the sustainable Canadian agricultural partnership, priority areas include market development and trade, as well as the growth, competitiveness and capacity building within the sector.

Recognizing the challenges posed by the global trading environment, including non-tariff barriers, protectionist policies and various trade-influencing factors, the government actively collaborates with the sector to navigate these complexities.

Our approach to sector diversification involves growing trade with existing priority markets, expanding into emerging markets and managing risks effectively. The establishment of the Indo-Pacific agriculture and agri-food office in Manila exemplifies our commitment to strategic diversification efforts.

This initiative aims to enhance government capacity in the region, address market challenges proactively, and sustain and expand trade with priority markets. Ongoing free trade agreement negotiations, particularly with partners in the Indo-Pacific region, play a vital role in preserving an open, rules-based international trading system and in unlocking new supply chain opportunities.

To strengthen our global presence, the government actively engages in multilateral fora such as the World Trade Organization, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, the G7 and G20, and various international standard-setting bodies.

Back home, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada diligently ensures a robust and stable food supply chain, responding promptly to challenges like severe weather events and labour shortages.

We support efforts by other government departments to enhance supply chain fluidity and resiliency through initiatives like the transportation supply chain office and investments in data efforts.

The $4.6-billion national trade corridors fund is investing in infrastructure projects that strengthen trade corridors and supply chain competitiveness.

A few investments of note that are supporting agriculture supply chains in particular include the $102-million investment at the port of Vancouver to increase the efficiency of roads and rail traffic and to improve flow to marine terminals, the $100-million investment at the Edmonton International Airport in 2022 to increase cargo and logistics handling capacity, and the $26.3-million investment to expand and improve the Archer Daniels Midland Company grain terminal at the port of Windsor.

In conclusion, Madam Chair, our actions are aimed at fostering a resilient agriculture and agri-food sector. The government is committed to taking concrete steps to ensure that Canadian businesses have access to both new and existing supply chains, both at home and abroad.

Thank you.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much.

Ms. Groeneweg, please go ahead. You have up to five minutes.

4:20 p.m.

Sheryl Groeneweg Director General, Advanced Manufacturing and Industrial Strategy Branch, Department of Industry

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

Thank you for the opportunity to address the committee about the growth of Canadian businesses and their contributions to global supply chains. Before I touch on supply chains, I would like to point out a few facts about the domestic and global economic contexts.

Madam Chair, with regard to supply chains and manufacturing matters, industries that produce goods provide high-wage jobs, especially for those who would otherwise earn lower wages. They also contribute to commercial innovation by developing and adopting leading-edge technologies. They are foundational to domestic economic resilience, growth and competitiveness, and are material to our ability to attain environmental sustainability. Finally, they are often the nodes by which domestic industry is connected to other markets through R and D activities and the production of intermediary goods and final products, which cross borders regularly and often.

No nation is manufacturing self-sufficient. This includes the largest economies like the United States and smaller economies like Canada.

Today we are in a period of a heightened protectionism, whereby with whom a country trades has become increasingly more of a factor in industrial policies and incentive-based investment around the world and, by consequence, this is informing how Canadian business and Canadian industrial policy are situated to respond.

The contribution of manufacturing to Canada's economy is in slow decline, falling to 9% of GDP in 2022, down from 15% 20 years ago. While this trend can be in part explained by increased contributions of the financial services and real estate sectors to GDP, Canada's industrial outcomes are directly connected to how well we compete for share in our domestic market and in the global marketplace. If our competitors are taking steps to improve their advantage and Canada falls behind, this is and will be evident in our economic performance and quality of life.

Even though Canada has lost some industrial ground in aggregate, it is evident across all industrial sectors that Canada is a nation of innovators.

For example, Canada has a high-performing digital sector that is top of the charts in business R and D, which in turn supports the performance of all other industries and the growth of new sectors like AI and quantum, and, while oft referred to as “traditional”, our aluminum sector is the fourth-largest globally and is advancing technology to become the first in the world to smelt carbon-free aluminum.

We have a highly innovative textile industry that contributes sustainable high-quality inputs to many other sectors, such as the auto industry, aerospace, apparel, construction, medical devices and so on.

Canada's largest manufacturing sector, food and beverage processing, is making strides in developing forward-leading products in plant-based proteins, which will help with global food security.

Canada's industrial sectors generate 59% of Canada's non-commodity exports and are highly connected to global value chains, but we can be doing better. As Canada continues to make strides to better position our economy and our firms to deal with new supply chain shifts and heightened competition, there are several considerations worthy to bring forward to the committee's attention in the context of global supply chains.

First, pay-to-play dynamics are increasing, meaning that access to clean energy and a strong climate regulatory framework could differentiate Canada as a location of choice for investment.

Second, decarbonization is an emerging international competitiveness concern, and it will determine market access in the years to come.

Third, economic and security concerns are reshaping global alliances and resulting in protectionist policies, many of which can harm Canadian industry. We are not guaranteed protection by our integration in the North American market, but we can make choices that will help support all Canadian industrial sectors in their areas of strength to reinforce their global relevance and competitiveness.

Fourth, there are still gains to be made in innovation and commercialization. If adequate support is offered for advanced technology development and adoption, this will be increasingly significant to competitiveness in a changing environment.

Finally, concerns around material and energy security are increasing in prominence. Canada and like-minded countries are seeking to diversify mineral supplies to address growing uncertainty regarding the security of material resources from countries with hostile trade policies. Canada's resource wealth and manufacturing acumen can be the basis to build global relevancy in this regard while at the same time developing domestic industrial capacity across multiple industrial supply chains.

It also seems an unfortunate circumstance that global conflicts, beyond their terrible human cost, will continue to disrupt the reliability of supply chains and put pressure on costs. The degree to which this will continue is unknown and unknowable at this time.

There are a myriad of market failures that limit private sector business from being able to compete on its own. For this reason, there are government policies and programs. Without government consideration and support, firms could not address structural issues that limit value creation and growth potential. More than ever, Canada needs to be bold and ambitious, lest we lose further ground to those who are raising the stakes to favour their outcomes and market advantage.

Thank you very much.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much.

Go ahead, Mr. Dick, for up to five minutes, please.

4:25 p.m.

Robert Dick Head, National Supply Chain Office, Department of Transport

Good afternoon.

I am pleased to appear before the committee on behalf of Transport Canada in my capacity as head of the national supply chain office.

I am joined by my colleagues Colin Stacey, who is also with the office, and Christian—

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Excuse me, Mr. Dick. Can you hold it for a moment here? We have a sound issue. Just give us a second.

Mr. Dick, can you say a few words in French for a moment while we check the sound?

4:25 p.m.

Head, National Supply Chain Office, Department of Transport

Robert Dick

Yes, I can say a few words while you check the sound.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Okay, it's good.

All right, Mr. Dick. Would you please start again? I apologize.

4:25 p.m.

Head, National Supply Chain Office, Department of Transport

Robert Dick

Good afternoon.

I am pleased to appear before the committee on behalf of Transport Canada in my capacity as head of the national supply chain office.

I am joined by my colleagues Colin Stacey, who is also with the office, and Christian Dea, chief economist and director general of transportation economic analysis.

I would like to begin by acknowledging that I am speaking with you today from the traditional unceded territory of the Musqueam, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh nations.

As technology and transportation systems advance and the world economy becomes more connected and integrated, Canadian businesses are adapting to take advantage of the global factory and marketplace. They are also major suppliers of a number of goods the world depends on, from agriculture and agri-food to fertilizer and critical minerals.

As you can appreciate, Canadian producers can’t access global opportunities without transportation and logistics operators moving the goods each step of the way. Keeping the transportation supply chain flowing smoothly and efficiently isn't just essential for Canadian goods to reach international markets. It also keeps manufacturing costs down, which allows Canadian companies to price more competitively. For Canadian families, more efficient supply chains translate to more affordable goods that they use in their daily lives.

Although Canada’s supply chains work well most of the time, we have not seen significant improvements in productivity within the network in recent years, despite growing demands for access to the global marketplace.

We have also seen in recent years how vulnerable our transportation system can be to disruptions, such as the COVID-19 pandemic, climate change and geopolitical conflicts. Given that future disruptions and trends are hard to predict, government leadership is needed to bring parties together to build the resiliency of our systems while also working towards more efficient and globally connected supply chains.

As a result, our former minister of transport appointed a national supply chain task force in 2022, charged with consulting broadly to gain industry perspectives on ways to improve Canada’s supply chains.

The final recommendations of the task force and Budget 2023 laid the groundwork to establish a national supply chain office.

Minister Rodriguez officially launched the office on December 1, 2023, with the foremost goal of increasing the fluidity, efficiency, resilience and reliability of Canada's supply chains through collaboration with industry, labour, other orders of government and other partners.

The work of the office will build upon the government’s recent investments in the trade and transportation systems, through the national trade corridor fund, and our ongoing effort to reform key legislation underpinning the network, such as through Bill C-33, which seeks to strengthen the port system and railway safety in Canada.

Over time, the work of this office will contribute to advancing other government priorities, including improving the affordability of goods for Canadians, more competitively priced export goods in foreign markets, and greening transport systems.

As we advance the work of the office, our key priorities are providing overarching leadership, coordination and external outreach to examine, and respond to, specific domestic and international supply chain issues, including during disruptions; supporting data sharing and digitalization as part of work to optimize systems and ensure smarter decisions; and developing and implementing a national strategy to drive collaboration across sectors on shared priorities.

Canada's supply chains are intricate and ever-changing. The office is working to understand the logistical and analytical needs of Canada's transportation sector operators and stakeholders, both geographically and for specific value chains. This includes talking directly to those in the know. Through external outreach, we will strengthen our understanding of what capacity is needed to support major projects, where system bottlenecks are, and what sorts of implications regulatory or legislative changes could have on operations.

Our engagement with the private sector will ensure that the government understands the industry perspective. To that end, we are also bringing industry expertise on board within the office.

Given Canada’s position as a trading nation, we fully appreciate the importance of healthy supply chains to the country’s economy and Canadian companies’ success in international markets. While this work will take time, we will take action on the domestic front to ensure that Canadian firms are well placed to connect with global opportunities.

I will conclude my opening remarks here. I'll of course be happy to entertain any questions.

Merci.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much.

We'll move on to the committee members.

Mr. Seeback, you have six minutes, please.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I want to talk about some opening remarks from CBSA. You said that you're responsible for compliance with 100 acts, including trade agreements. Is that correct? That would include ensuring compliance with, for example, the 2020 renegotiated CUSMA, or NAFTA. Are you responsible for compliance with that?

4:30 p.m.

Doug Band Director General, Trade and Anti-dumping Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

Yes, we're responsible for administering the customs procedures associated with the CUSMA agreement as referenced.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Then I'm assuming you're aware that in the 2020 CUSMA agreement, Canada is to eliminate forced labour from their supply chains. Are you aware of that provision?

4:30 p.m.

Director General, Trade and Anti-dumping Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

Doug Band

Yes. That was as of July 1, with CUSMA coming into force.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Yes. That's almost four years ago. In 2022 the U.S. trade representative, Ms. Tai, had discussions with Canada. The issue that was raised was the lack of eliminating forced labour from Canadian supply chains. In fact, she said it was a big part of the conversation. Canada has been repeatedly faulted for failing to do anything to stop these imports.

My understanding is that Canada has not seized a single shipment of goods suspected of being manufactured with forced labour since this was signed almost four years ago. Is that correct?

4:35 p.m.

Director General, Trade and Anti-dumping Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

Doug Band

We work very closely with U.S. customs border patrol, because they are leaders in this field—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

I know you work closely. My question is, has a shipment been seized?

4:35 p.m.

Director General, Trade and Anti-dumping Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

Doug Band

There has been a shipment seized as part of a pilot.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

One.

4:35 p.m.

Director General, Trade and Anti-dumping Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

Doug Band

That shipment, in accordance with the way this prohibition is administered—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

It was returned.

4:35 p.m.

Director General, Trade and Anti-dumping Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

Doug Band

It was released—