Evidence of meeting #98 for International Trade in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cbsa.
A recording is available from Parliament.
4:05 p.m.
Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
Okay. You have $182 million sitting here that you have spent already, and now there's up to $120 million for the next six years and potentially more after that. I'm just trying to simplify it here for Canadians watching. It seems like there's more than just $182 million.
4:05 p.m.
Partner, Deloitte
No. The $182 million is to date. The billing that we've not fully implemented, what we call “the operate solution”, does not start until we actually get into the “go live”—once CARM is online.
4:05 p.m.
Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
Maybe I'll ask it in a different way: How much have you been paid? How much has Deloitte—
4:05 p.m.
Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
Okay. Then the $120 million for six years is in addition to that in terms of maintenance after the fact? This is part of the existing contract.
4:05 p.m.
Partner, Deloitte
It's $20 million a year, with.... The contract is quite complicated.
4:05 p.m.
Partner, Deloitte
It's a very long and big contract.
There's also a sort of a declining cost. When I said $20 million a year, the $20 million a year is in and about: There's an assumption in each year post the first year that we're finding efficiencies and that there's a declining rate there as well.
4:05 p.m.
Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
What is the maximum spend, then? How about if I ask it like that? What's the maximum amount that Deloitte can bill the government for now, and then six years later? It's $120 million—I'll answer that question for you—but up to now, how much can you bill the government for?
4:05 p.m.
Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
Okay.
Let's ask it a different way. On subcontractors, how many have you subcontracted to?
4:05 p.m.
Partner, Deloitte
The vast majority of the work that Deloitte has delivered has been delivered by Deloitte employees. In my 30 years of doing this type of work with large transformations, there is always a version of subcontractors used for these projects.
4:05 p.m.
Conservative
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Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
It's 20%. That sounds like a lot to me.
Of that 20%, can we obtain a list of those subcontractors, please? You're welcome to table that with the committee, unless you have it off the top of your head.
4:10 p.m.
Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
As a ballpark figure, what's the number on that? You say 20%. That could mean a lot. I'm thinking it's a lot, but how many would you project it to be?
4:10 p.m.
Partner, Deloitte
I wouldn't hazard a guess, because there are some that have not—
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Conservative
4:10 p.m.
Conservative
4:10 p.m.
Partner, Deloitte
Yes, they would be a part of the total cost that has been paid to date.
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Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
This is my last question.
Are these the employees who were listed on the government website? Mr. Gallivan said it was unusual for him to see that.
In your 30 years, is it unusual for you to see Deloitte and subcontractors listed on the Government of Canada website as employees?
4:10 p.m.
Partner, Deloitte
I apologize. I'm not quite sure what you're referring to in that particular case.
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Liberal
